Why Batman/Superman movie is rushed and I call B.S on The Flash Movie By AresWW3

Why Batman/Superman movie is rushed and I call B.S on The Flash Movie By AresWW3

I would love to see a Flash movie. He is one of my favorite superheroes, probably number 5, but I can bet my life it ain´t happening and it's just a smoke screen to appease numerous DC fans upset that once again DC/WB is falling back on Batman and Superman.

Editorial Opinion
By aresww3 - Aug 03, 2013 04:08 AM EST
Filed Under: The Flash
Source: ComicBookMovie.com



I´m gonna say it straight out, I think the Batman/ Superman movie is not going to be that good. It is too soon, I would have preferred another solo Superman movie before this, establishing this new Superman first. Lets look at the facts, this supposed Worlds Finest Movie is going to be based on Miller's Dark Knight Returns. (Cause that makes sense. A Superman sequel based off a graphic novel primarily about Batman) The TDKR story is set in the future, (which by the way TDKRises was already based on) with Batman an outlawed vigilante and Superman working for the Government. So tell me this, how in the hell has MOS, even set up for a scenario, where that would be the case? Not in any single way is the answer. Which means what? More time displaced, pulp fiction style, time leaping, Flashback based storytelling, covering expansive amounts of time and needing huge expository dialogue to even explain what the hell is going on. Most of the general public aren´t even familiar with TDKR and will be even more confused than we comic geeks will be. Its just not organic storytelling, to jump from Man Of Steel, to that storyline. In fact I would respect DC more if they just adapted that full comic to film as it would make a great separate film. But trying to connect the world of MOS to that universe, with nothing in-between is like trying to get a Rat and a Cockroach to mate and have a baby.

As I stated in another article, I really think the latest Superman movie or MOS was a collection of trailer scenes not a fully fledged movie, and my blame goes directly to the writing team responsible for making the movie. Goyer had it all layed out for him. He had Earth One and Birth Right to work from, to make a really compelling modern day retelling of Superman, instead he just gave us this movie, not reintroducing the character, but rather just assuming we know him and rushing into action scenes. Now I liked the movie, but that was mainly cause of the great acting (Cavill deserved more) and Snyders flair for the visually spectacular. (Although, I do not trust Snyder anymore, I was a fan cause of Watchmen, but for me thats his only outstanding work)

Now you may ask, what has all this got to do with the Flash Movie that has been announced? In spite of the widely popular news that Batman and Superman are combining on screen (which like all comic fans has been a dream of mine for years) I believe that WB/DC know that they have pissed a lot of DC fans off who are interested in seeing either a Justice League Movie or solo movies of their other favorite DC characters. DC fans and movie fans may I add that have been clamoring for such characters as Wonder Woman and Flash to finally make it to the silver screen and who quite frankly are a bit fed-up with Batman dominating DC´s cinematic universe. Sometimes it even seems to me they make Superman more and more ridiculously powerful, just so it looks extra cool when Batman beats him. I actually believe that, I´m not joking.
superman-vs-batman

The truth is as cool as Batman is, how the hell in anyones wildest imagination is Batman and Superman teaming up or fighting in anyway interesting. Superman can do everything Batman can do and even more. He´d wipe the floor with him, and his gadgets. The only way Batman is of assistance to Superman is by de-powering Superman, its just a farse. Batman beats Superman for one reason and one reason only, he´s a superhero rockstar at the box-office, and therefore in comic sales, an opportunity not even remotely being given to his fellow, equally compelling, Justice League colleagues.



Any true comic fan knows this, which is why although I also wanted to see these guys on screen together, 1) I was more looking forward, one to see this new Superman fleshed out more; yes Man Of Steel wasn´t the best, but the character and especially Cavill had the charisma and screen presence to evolve into their own, before having to deal with pesky rodants eating up their screen time in the sequel to their movie. and 2) before Batman and Supes had yet another turn at the box-office, I wanted clear and definite news or announcements of one of DCs many other great properties i.e. script written, approved, in development, pre-production.



I know, I feel it in my stomach, once again DC/WB is saying "support me, please support me, make me feel less insecure, by making a mediocre Superman/Batman film a box office smash. Then I swear on my fathers grave, I´ll finally give you what you want. You want A Flash movie? Got it. Want a wonder woman movie? Yessirry. A Justice League movie? Its yours. I´ll even give you a cadalac, a whining baby in a bottle, if you make, Batman/Superman a bigger success than The Avengers." Then what will happen? Batman Superman will make over a billion dollars, and you know what WB execs will say to each other: "See told you only Batman will make us the big bucks. Lets put a hault on all Non-Batman related products." We´ll have Worlds Finest 2, 3 even, then straight back to the formula of more Batman movies." Call me cynical, say I´m a hater, I know I´m gonna get all the evil comments in the world for this article but I know you guys know I´m telling the truth.
Enough is enough is enough; I love Batman, but this characters intrusion into everything is just getting on my nerves now. Hey great, he´s got growly voice, is a bit upset about something that happened to him when he was 9, is a billionaire, and, has a penchant for rocking cool Bat themed sports cars; but really guys is that so bloody interesting we need to see him a mere two years after his last movie? Why can´t we have just one more Superman film, introducing maybe Supes villains we´ve wanted to see on screen for ages, like Brainiac, or, Darkseid, before giving up and going straight back to WB/DCs comfort zone. Its just not cool any more DC. Please grow some balls and actually make The Flash movie happen. Take care of it as well, not just some pile of crap like Green Lantern. So for any excited about the Flash announcement, trust me, take it with a pinch of salt, if they were serious about it, it would have the 2015 release date Bats/Supes has. Trust me they are not.
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Alphadog
Alphadog - 8/3/2013, 5:43 AM
1st Superman/Batman was not confirmed to be based on tdkr, one of the lines from the graphic novel was used, nothing more. In fact i'm willing to bet that snyder consulted Frank Miller solely about Batman and how to introduce him, after all miller did write batmab year one.
2nd The Flash movie is just a rumour, their still working on the script.
NBAfanaddict
NBAfanaddict - 8/3/2013, 5:43 AM



In all seriousness though, I do hope the movie doesn't get "Iron Man 2-ed". I.3. too many characters, not enough time to develop, that kind of stuff. And it would be nice to see DC take some other chances with their characters. But as you mentioned, people love Batman, so some do feel they should put him in a majority of stuff, since he's been successful. Same goes for Iron Man in the MCU, and Wolverine with the X-Men. They're such awesome characters, that sometimes the studios figure "There a better bet than our other guys, let's run with them"
GoldenMan
GoldenMan - 8/3/2013, 6:11 AM
People need to stop going to town with the whole Dark Knight Returns film crap.
aresww3
aresww3 - 8/3/2013, 6:29 AM
Doesn´t matter, its Batman Vs Superman as a sequel to a Man Of Steel movie. Ordinarily great news to have a Batman Superman movie. Maybe if they just did that straight away. But now you build this guy as this selfless godlike symbol of hope, then he´s gonna get beaten by a Baterang. Come on guys. Can one person even tell me how Batman is going to even face Superman. One person. Its idiotic. If they had have setup the scenario properly, bring in Kryptonite in the a Man Of steel sequel, the red sun stuff. Then done Batman Superman, I would have bought into this big time, cause usually I defend Batman against people who say Superman would beat the crap out of him. But this Superman, what the [frick] is Batman gonna do against him? How would you film them fighting in a realistic way. Did you see the way the krytonians moved? what they did to Metropolis? What they did to F22 Raptors? Superman basically had no weakness. Its a crazy idea. Its going to make alot of money, but alot of fans are going to be super dissapointed. no pun intended.
aresww3
aresww3 - 8/3/2013, 6:40 AM
Sotojuiceman - 1. I don´t care about another Batman Superman movie right now 2. you must be batshit crazy if you think WB/DC don´t have the money to make WW and Flash or even the Justice League from the amount fans have given them from the DK trilogy. What you think they´re saving up money to put away for our future happiness. Just stop it. I like you Soto, and i don´t want to war over this, but Man Of Steel was barely passable. A good movie, but Superman deserves more. I hoped a sequel would correct that mistake, instead, the inevitable, Snyder is gonna come up with the most absurd excuse for us not to like Supes in his own movie and have Batman beat him in an equally absurd way.
MrReese
MrReese - 8/3/2013, 6:41 AM
We don't even know how Batman is gonna be interpreted in the Snyderverse.I'm stoked 4 it.
aresww3
aresww3 - 8/3/2013, 6:50 AM
@MrReese - Snyderverse? :) really? I presume Batman will be portrayed as human, ergo, he can´t fight superman close up, his machines won´t work against him, he can´t do shit to him. They can´t fight. He can be in the shadows somehow I guess. But what, so he´s going to hide all movie. Properly stealthy. Yeah, thats badass. Doesn´t make sense. I don´t even think this was WBs plan. I really think this is a rushed idea because of the critical reception to MOS. Think about it, when was the last time you heard a film officially announced before the story had even been written. I´m not talking script, I´m talking story. Yeah ok in straight up sequels you get that, but not in a film like this.
HouseSnow
HouseSnow - 8/3/2013, 6:50 AM
you're an idiot
aresww3
aresww3 - 8/3/2013, 6:52 AM
@sotojuice - Fair points, and don´t worry, I´m not watching it. I´m fed-up with DCs and WB Batman fetish.
aresww3
aresww3 - 8/3/2013, 6:54 AM
@housesnow - OK Man nice to see the maturity, respecting different views.
aresww3
aresww3 - 8/3/2013, 6:58 AM
@sotojuiceman - I wrote this article cause I´m bored, not cause I´m seriously emotionally invested. I´ll say it again, I don´t care, I´m not seeing the movie. I´m bored of Batman. I don´t hate on you cause you want to see it. A few years ago, I would have felt the same. Now I´ve seen it in animated feature, wasn´t that impressed, seen it in animated film, read it dozens of times etc. I wrote the article to give an opinion and have a discussion, not cause I´m upset.
aresww3
aresww3 - 8/3/2013, 6:59 AM
"If I owned Batman movie rights, I would have a fetish with him too." :)
aresww3
aresww3 - 8/3/2013, 7:00 AM
By the way I´m far from the only one who feels like this. I´ve heard loads of people saying the same. Especially with the creative team behind it, its likely to be terrible.
kenjim152
kenjim152 - 8/3/2013, 7:28 AM
@ares come on dude!!! You are one of the few people here that I consider know what they are talking about!!!, Some of the most succesful CBMs have been greenlit without a story or script, The Avengers is one of those and we all know how that turned out to be. We all know that most of worlds finest crossovers are great. We do not even know if Bats and Supes will have a fist fight! And if they do I am sure it will be great!, there are plenty if storylines mainly from the 80s and 90s in which Supes and Bats have faced each other without really having a fist fight, in those times they had this frieenemy relationship that was really interesting. Even in the animated series the justice league was launched just after supes met bats and they were not even friends there, in the comics when Supes gave bats the kryptonyte ring they had this great story and they were arguing all the time. If you really want a Flash movie or a Wonder Woman movie we all know that Supes or Bats have to launch them, it is the way it has always been.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 8/3/2013, 8:04 AM
In order to have any possibility of a TDKR fight, Kryptonite would HAVE to be available.

Consider the most essential element in the Superman/Batman relationship... I'll give you a hint: it's pretty common.

(It always cracks me up how Nicholson is just so wacked out)

That's right, trust.
Now we've had quite a few Batman vs Superman fights in the comics and cartoons, most of them brief. The one I prefer the most is taken from Hush - which would make the most sense if they kept the Nolan continuity (except Batman's kind of an idiot there). Batman and Catwoman run around Metropolis trying not to get killed by a Poison Ivy-controlled Superman, and really the best they can do is kidnap someone from the Daily Planet, hold em over the roof, and try and break Superman free. Take a wild guess who Selina picks.

Batman trusts Superman to catch Lois. Superman trusts Batman to stop him if he gets out of hand.

ANYWAYS...

Back to Kryptonite - how do we know their fight won't go something like TDKR, but in a World's Finest context?

And if Bruce has Kryptonite, you can damn well bet on Lex having it as well. I think we'll be getting Metallo, as crazy as it sounds. I think Batman will show Superman that he's not going to kill him, that he could, if he wanted to, but he's going to have to trust him. And in stark contrast, Luthor has built a Kryptonite weapon to KILL Superman, and this dude isn't going to hold back.

It'll be a stomp in the woods like the Avengers, but they'll get up and onto the bigger threats at large.
Lhornbk
Lhornbk - 8/3/2013, 8:18 AM
Like someone else said, the Flash movie has not been officially announced. The Hollywood Reporter ran a story saying it would be announced at SDCC '13, but it wasn't. They got it wrong.

As for the rest, SotoJuiceMan has said it perfectly. Good job.
aresww3
aresww3 - 8/3/2013, 9:40 AM
@kenjim - I said that if its a sequel like the Avengers, which was a master plan then they´d announce it. This does not feel like that.

Anyway you´re right I might be wrong about that, but you´d think if you´re going to do a Batman Vs Superman film and you really wanted to make sure its done justice, you would make sure the script was there before announcing it. also you wouldn´t hire the same team who just wrote a film that to many of us was a critical failure, whose main flaw, even to those who liked it was it seemed rushed, unable to develop character and was trying to do too much in one film.

Snyder good when he has a good story. The guys all visual and give him a great story he can come off as a master director. Without it, his films are pretty bad. MOS was just over the middle for me. A good movie, getting there, but already signs of poor story development, ruining Lois and Clarks long standing relationship of her not knowing his identity for instance, was just a small part of the weirdness that I experienced in MOS.

My problem isn´t Superman/Batman crossover concept. My problem is a Snyder lead Superman/Batman film, especially one that has been announced before even having a good story. I also am pissed I supported this movie so DC would get up off its ass and start with its other characters. I paid to watch it twice when in many ways I was disappointed with the film, just so I could support other DC characters apart from Batman. Then what do I get another Batman movie is their next scheduled movie. I´m not upset, I´ve just given up.
aresww3
aresww3 - 8/3/2013, 10:50 AM
@Omegadagod - Thanks for your comment, but don´t worry any insults don´t bother me. I think if they make Batman a bit like Rorschach that would be cool. But two things Man Of Steel hasn´t developed that universe into a place where that would be relevent yet and 2 I am now absolutely sure that the reason Watchmen was so good was the script not the director. Yes again Snyder did a brilliant job with the visuals, but all that would have gone to waste had the script not been so brilliant.

Thanks again.
QuestionDAnswer
QuestionDAnswer - 8/3/2013, 10:51 AM
@AresWW3

Do you know what's really sad, and pathetic? The fact that all I keep hearing from all of you marvel fan girls is how WB is rushing a supes and bats film. First it was "they are rushing justice league" now that WB is actually trying to build towards the Justice League with a supes and bats film first, now its "they are rushing the supes and bats film". Smh, WB won't ever win with you biased marvel tweens. But the biggest thing I can't stand is how hypocritical you marvel tweens are. Answer me this were you guys complaining this much when marvel dicided to do a team up film after captin americas, thors, and hulks first outing on the big screen? Yeah that's what I thought, because that's exactly what you guys are doing complaining because WB is doing a team up film after supes first outing on the big screen. Smh, fricking hypocrites.
aresww3
aresww3 - 8/3/2013, 11:24 AM
@markofthe dreams- A marvel tween? The only marvel character I even remotely like in Avengers is The Hulk. I was reading him as a kid and watched the Bill Bixby show growing up before you call me a bandwagoner. I have little or no time for any of the other marvel characters. All my favorite characters are DC including Batman. Look I shouldn´t even dignify your comment with a response, so I´ll just leave it at that.
aresww3
aresww3 - 8/3/2013, 11:29 AM
Oh and to everyone, if WB had have actually pulled this superman movie off with some class, I might have had the confidence you have in the movie, but they didn´t. Its not that great a movie. Its mediocre to good, but not great. You guys are going to be the same people bitching and moaning when Supes/Bats comes out about how bad it is. You´ll see. Thats all I´m saying.
QuestionDAnswer
QuestionDAnswer - 8/3/2013, 11:31 AM
@AresWW3

Regarding the flash I think WB is bringing him to the small screen so he can build an audience in order for him to have a big box office return on his solo outing on the big screen. Its all about build up an audience and that's exactly what WB is doing with superman vs batman, and the flash tv show. After that all they need to do is a supes/bats/wonder woman team up trinity film, and a flash solo film which will make a lot of money because of the tv build in audience, and they will be all set for a Justice League film. Oh, and by the way cry baby WB can still make two solo superman films anytime after the superman vs batman: worlds finest film.
aresww3
aresww3 - 8/3/2013, 11:40 AM
@Maxofdreamons - I hope these insults to someone with a different opinion make you feel good about yourself.
superpower76
superpower76 - 8/3/2013, 12:34 PM
@Markofthedemon,

I agree be grateful gregarious have or are going to get.

let's be real though. This is pretty late in the game for WB to be such a lame duck.

Though DC characters will always be my favorite I can't help but feel marvel is the more "consumer conscience" company.

I see no reason that a justice league trilogy wasn't announced other than WB and their disregard for their fans and characters.

I don't think you can call this feeling "entitlement". That's just a lame yet polite way of saying someone shouldn't have something. Why?

Bottom line is that no effort is being put forward. I don't care why because you can make excuses for anything even murder these days. That lack of effort tells me DC fans will just keep getting the shaft.

I'm ready to start putting down odds on how many story arcs marvel will go through before WB puts out its second. Yeah I'll count Holan trilogy even if it's different continuity because without that WB won't have one arc out before marvel hits three.
Ocelot
Ocelot - 8/3/2013, 1:02 PM
WB have wanted to do Batman/Superman since 2002 then later again in 2007, if not for Christopher Nolans reluctance and the Batman explosion after The Dark Knight it would have happened by now. The plan was for Superman and Batman to team up after Superman returns, but Nolan said no due to the way he wrote his Batman. Furthemore Batman/Superman crossover hasn't been done in a live action feature film, so it's actually new, idea is much more interesting than Justice League.

Furthermore they're not adapting The Dark Knight Returns book, Snyder or Goyer said this after the film was announced, the only reason why they had the guy read out the qoute was because most people at Comic-Con know it's from The Dark Knight returns a book that featured both Batman and Superman and to pump up the audience in attendance. It was a cool way to announce the movie.

Finally this movie is Man of Steel 2 but with Batman in it, it's still going to deal with plotlines from the first movie, dont know why people cant grasp that, Amy Adams, Diane Lane and Laurence Fishburne who played Lois Lane, Martha Kent and Perry White respectively are all confirmed to be back. They left a plot open to be explored in a sequel and even alluded to Wayne and Luthor in the film.
PenditaMarah
PenditaMarah - 8/3/2013, 1:07 PM
You're stupid.
I thought that wb moves to a brilliant to produce flash into small screen,to built the dccu.
You want to built dccu in the film,u need a few years to do it and I believe,you might be already dead at that time.
superpower76
superpower76 - 8/3/2013, 4:52 PM
Wow the auto correct on this tablet is nuts. My first like should have been..

Be grateful for what you have or will get.

In my last line it should have said..

Nolan's trilogy.

@Ocelot,

Yeah they've "wanted" to do it but so what? That just makes them look worse in my eyes. Just another sign of WB ineptness at its finest. At best it is a sign of some false sense of pride keeping them from being "copy cats". Lame I say!

There is just no reason there shouldn't be something truly epic in the works by now.

Like I said before, I'm grateful for this and I'm excited to see it, but seeing what is being done over at marvel makes me ask what is holding me back from seeing (IMO) the greatest heroes ever on the big screen. It kills me.

Twiztidjuggalo
Twiztidjuggalo - 8/3/2013, 10:06 PM
We'll see how it goes. As much as man of steel sucked id rather see a sequel to it first before they make this. And I'd Definitely would wanna see a flash movie! He's my 3rd fav hero of all time. And I think it's his time to shine. I just think dc don't wanna take any chance on any other superheroes cause of the failure that was green lantern. It was ok.
CPBuff22
CPBuff22 - 8/3/2013, 11:20 PM
I agree with many of your points. But can you really call a movie that has been planned since 2002 rushed?
QuestionDAnswer
QuestionDAnswer - 8/4/2013, 12:32 AM
@aresww3

Dude both thor, and the incredible hulk movies sucked, and are forgetible films, yet I don't see you complaining because marvel made a team up film after their first outings on the big screen. Which is exactly what you are doing complainig because WB is making a team up film after supes first outing on the big screen. Smh, hypocrite!
aresww3
aresww3 - 8/4/2013, 5:20 AM
@MOFTHEDEMON - The Incredible Hulk did not suck that much. Plus, to be honest while I respect Marvel for their approach, I really don´t care for their characters, which is why for me whether their movies are good or not doesn´t matter. They´re more for kids anyway. Why I like DC and why I want them to get some of their properties done right is that characters like Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman - have a much wider appeal than say Antman, who is already getting a film with sequel probably planned as well. In some years this superhero craze will be over and DC may have brought out 3 Batman /superman films by then. By the time they get to characters I and many people want to see, some new fad will likely have taken its place and it won´t have the impact that it should. That is if they do any of the films at all.

In marvel unless its X-men, spider-man, Dare-Devil or Hulk related I don´t really care. Since it X-Men and Spider Man movie rights are owned by other companies it really doesn´t matter to me a hell of alot, what MCCU are doing.

All I was saying is to those who don´t care for seeing Batman once again, they should be mindfull of their support of WB, because they are likely to be dissapointed. I´m not hating on you for being excited for a film that many including myself have wanted to see a very long time. I just think its being done in a way that makes me highly suspicious of what the final product is going to be. In many ways MOS has made me glad that Goyer has gone nowhere near WW and that his Flash movie didn´t see the light of day. I can´t imagine, the excess of uncharacter driven, Transformer like action a Snyder/Goyer cowritten Batman/superman is going to be.

I think some of you guys need to just learn to respect other people opinion. I´m not writing articles to personally offend you. Peace.
aresww3
aresww3 - 8/4/2013, 12:29 PM
@soto - 300 is crap, Dawn of the dead is really good, I actually do love that (good script), watchmen is genius (great script)
Snyder is a visual genius, but scriptwise, when he´s let loose, you get stuff like Sucker Punch.

Goyer, Blade good movie, doesn´t age that well though, Ghost Rider, both awful,
Batman Begins, great script, his best to date, The Dark Knight (Good mainly due to a great performance/but the cracks begin showing) it emotionless, heartless and humorless even when the villain was the goddamn joker, Dark Knight Rises fully lost control, just an awful movie. Batman is my third fav superhero of all time, and I haven´t even been able to sit through that movie more than once. Not even Batman Forever had that affect on me. Bad movie, but I can sit through it. For me rises is the second worst Batman movie after Batman and Robin, and that includes the original TV series movie.
GinjaNinja
GinjaNinja - 8/5/2013, 8:31 AM
By 2015 the heroes introduced in the Marvel universe will be
Iron man
Hulk
Captain America
Thor
Black Widow
Hawkeye
Ant Man
Scarlet Witch
Quicksilver
Falcon
Nick Fury
Winter Soldier
War Machine
Nova corps
Groot
Rocket Rac
Gamoria
Star Lord
vondu
Drax
at least (Who knows about wasp ect.

by the year 2015 the DC heroes introduced will be
Superman
Batman

Also DC will have 1 Villain? 2 if you count batman? Or maybe they will end up joining together at the end of the movie and their will be like 3. and marvel will have 30+ come on DC step up your game.
GinjaNinja
GinjaNinja - 8/5/2013, 1:09 PM
Also their is a difference between one movie and then a team up and 5 movies then a team up. IDK what you guys are talking about. Yeah their was only 1 incredible hulk and 1 thor and 1 cap movie but they where good movies aparently because they all had good ratings and good money. 2 iron man movies. do you see the difference between that and 1 Superman movie, not even a batman movie too? DC is weak, they have no faith right now in anyone besides those 2. I like DC more but Marvel is kicking their butt without their best super hero (Spider-man)
GinjaNinja
GinjaNinja - 8/5/2013, 1:10 PM
there* wow not thinking straight.
naterator
naterator - 8/5/2013, 1:27 PM
^^^^^^^^^^and Marvel has been at it with their universe since 2008....

DC since 2006...IF YOU COUNT THE TDK Trilogy...but since they arent....you are still wrong.

We have Superman, and hopefully Green Lantern in this new universe. Soon we will have Batman.

Great things take time. Lets hope for the best.
naterator
naterator - 8/5/2013, 1:29 PM
DC started in 2011 with GL....again unless you count 2006 TDK trilogy.
GinjaNinja
GinjaNinja - 8/5/2013, 2:10 PM
Most people arn't counting GL either. Problem is the whole comic book movie fad will die out soon enough. So they got to get it going before its to late. They don't seem to want to get this going. 2 years between movies without anything in between. Marvel does 2 movies a year now...
Enphlieuwince
Enphlieuwince - 8/11/2013, 9:15 PM
Well when WB/DC finally get it together, AARON TVEIT for Barry Allen/Flash. Check him out on Graceland. Show sucks IMO but he is a good actor with the look, body type, and, screen presence. Thank me later...
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