Why Watchmen is a Failure

Why Watchmen is a Failure

I thought that headline might get your attention ;)

Review Opinion
By FalconX2 - Mar 07, 2009 04:03 AM EST
Filed Under: Watchmen

I'm sure by now that everyone has read the flood of reviews for Watchmen. Or by now, you may have seen it two, or three times. However, there is still something I want to say about this film.

Watchmen is a failure as a movie.

Just as Watchmen is a failure as a comic book.

To called Watchmen a movie, is like calling this a review. It is a misnomer. It is really an experience.

If I were to compare Watchmen to a cinemagraphic work, Watchmen falls short. There are no "groundbreaking" shots. I would even go as far as to say much of the camera technique would be boring. But I have never had any movie make me feel the way Watchmen did. It is something different. Unfortunatly, there is no way I can truly make you understand what this film did to me. This best way I can put it, is this:

It is July 8th, 2008. My friend, my wife and I are watching the movie screen grow dark as the trailers begin before the Dark Knight. I sit in awe as I realize what I am seeing is the culmination of a lifetime of fandom. The Watchmen movie is coming, and I think to myself, "The world is not ready for this movie." The excitment overwhelms me just the same and I look with shock at my wife. She smiles and hugs my arm. She is happy for me, but she does not understand.

It is March 5th, 2009. My wife just finished reading Watchmen for the first time. I probe her mind, her opinions, her philosophies. She half-heartedly smiles and says she liked the book, but it was overall dry for her, and she really doesn't see the need in reading it again. I explain to her that it is OK, I can't expect everyone to like it. After all many of the ideals expressed, while being around for centuries, can still be considered revolutionary. She does not understand.

It is March 6th, 2009. My wife and I walk out into the daylight. It is mid day. We just watched the first showing our theatre had of the movie that I so excitedly anticipated since that day in July. Our eyes blink the tears away, but these tears are not from the sudden dark theatre to day's light. These are the tears of an experience. I look down at my wife's beautiful face, red from crying. Her eyes irritated from emotion. She smiles. She understands.

For the last 16 hours, we have done nothing but discuss, talk, debate, and share everything we have taken away from the graphic novel and from the film. She wants to read it again, and here I am, after reading dozens of times in nearly the last ten years, and I don't think I will ever be able to pick it up again. It may be to emotional for me now.

The sad thing is, is that the best we can catorgorize Watchmen as, is a film adaptation. But honestly, it fails as that. It is really, a completion of a journey. An adaptation is meant to bring one work, to a new medium. But what Zack Snyder (and his crew) has done is make the film medium PART OF the Watchmen experience. At this point, to try to compare the film to the graphic novel is like trying to compare two pieces of a jigsaw puzzle. Sure one piece may have a prettier color, or have a more appealing shape. But in the end, you need them both to complete the picture.

If the graphic novel was meant to make me think, then the film was meant to make me feel.

Alan Moore has said that he believes all the movie industry does is feed us worms. In the end, he will most likely say this film is just more worms. But they are the best tasting worms I have EVER had, and I cannot wait for a second helping.

If I had to absolutley compare the film to the graphic novel, I believe it would be blasphemous to what it really is. I will say, there is the same irony, the same little "wow" moments, the same cynisism. It is captured beautifully, some scenes may be better than the novel.

As a film, the music is amazing. The placment of the peices range from everything from ironic to romantic. And I know there has been much debate about the song at the credits, but I think it is an excellent statement. When Desolation Row was originally written, it was a poetic statement of the times. It was performed by an artist who could argueably be considered a figurehead that culture. The song was an expression of the irony and abstraction in the world, and here, at the end of this film, we have that same song expressing an alternate time, but the same society. However now it is being performed by a band that reflects our culture now. You do not have to be a fan of My Chemical Romance (lord knows I'm not), Bob Dylan, or Desolation Row, but placing that song at the end is a stamp, a signature. No, not everyone will understand Watchmen as we do, but it is ours, and as much as we would love to see the world take what we take from it, we can still be proud of what it means to us.

Thanks for reading guys,
-FalconX2

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theguywhomayknow
theguywhomayknow - 3/7/2009, 6:20 AM
too unnecessarily deep and emotional, Watchmen was a good film, people need to stop comparing it to the graphic novel. wait for the three and a half hour director's cut on DVD and Blu-ray in July.
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 3/7/2009, 6:47 AM
Cool review, i agree completely
Joslezio85
Joslezio85 - 3/7/2009, 2:36 PM
i'm actually going to see it tonight. But what you just said makes me all that more excited. good to know someone has the balls to actually write that down and throw it on here. i applaud you.
CRUSH
CRUSH - 3/7/2009, 2:37 PM
best review yet.
DrFever
DrFever - 3/7/2009, 2:58 PM
Curious....you put this much thought into a movie review for a ultra geek website and yet were surprised by the fact a trailer was w/ Dark Knight?

Anyway, grab a towel, you gotta like Moore on you still.

alten2345
alten2345 - 3/7/2009, 2:59 PM
@theguywhomayknow

I'm not one to whore out my fansite but I actually did an article about the director's cut coming to the big screen. It will be released in theaters in July and will be over 3 hours long. The DVD and blu-ray "ultimate" edition will be out sometime in the fall and will contain even more footage plus the 'Tales of the Black Freighter' interwoven with the movie.

You can check out the article here:

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/AllThingsNerd/news/?a=6355

and jump over to MTV.com for the full interview with Snyder.

@everyone

I saw the movie last night and I have to say there really is no way to classify this movie. I think the thing that sticks out in my mind is the eerie silence in the theater when the actual movie started. You could here a pin drop in that place because everybody was just so tuned in and the movie had been only playing for 5 seconds. That spoke volumes as to how much this story means to so many people.

I'd have to agree with FalconX2 in the idea that this wasn't a movie, it was an event. And as far as events go, it was one of the best. Could it have been better? I'm sure it could have been because nothing is perfect. But I do think this was as close to getting the story on the screen as could have been done without making a 10 hour movie.
DarkJester
DarkJester - 3/7/2009, 3:00 PM
...Ok not an easy review, you change your opion way to many times, you dislike it in the headline then you liked them seperately or something along those lines...either way i like you reviews, the novel and THEN the movie, i loved this, you can usually see the amazing effect a movie has on you if it flies by, this movie felt short even though it was one of the longest i've seen, in MY PERSONAL opinion i guess did like your review, nice comparison piece.
MrHand
MrHand - 3/7/2009, 3:05 PM
Am very sorry to say, I was really really disappointing with this film. at the end I just want to cry...All this time waiting and waiting for noting...very sad day for me and my friends :(
Betty
Betty - 3/7/2009, 3:40 PM
Should have stuck with why watchmen was a failure. Not necessarily a failure, but another fish in a mediocre sea of comicbook movies. There was no glue holding this film together.

Speed Racer is a better film than TDK, Watchmen, and yes, Iron man. And im not even a fan of speed racer.
dantbadger
dantbadger - 3/7/2009, 3:50 PM
I think this is a honest review.
For months I have been building in excitement to see this film, I rushed out to see the noon showing with child like glee (this was overcharged by the Wolverine and Star Trek trailers [and I'm not even really a Trekie]).
As I sat there absorbing the movie anticipating what would happen next, my friend who is an older guy, I could see was struggling trying to absorb the information and trying to piece it together.
As I keep peering over at him I could see, even an hour into it he had no idea what was transpiring. Sadly for him I think the most exciting part was the steamy scene in the Owl ship. (Silk Spectre, whoa)
While I walked away relieved to have seen it come out so well visually, I still did not think the end was the greatest. And i felt some how empty and uncompleted.
I spent the next half hour trying to clear things up for him. I had to tell him the characters names, the one thing they could have emphasized better, and what the purpose was.
This I agree is the reason it will not do well, it is too much of a Deep-rooted comic fan movie. Unless someone just feels he must go back and see it many times to patch it together,ala Sixth Sense, which will most likely not happen, this movie will fade into Comic movie glory un-noticed, but praised by the faithful.
answer
answer - 3/7/2009, 3:54 PM
Betty - Are you just saying that to get a rise out of us?
CrookedJaw
CrookedJaw - 3/7/2009, 4:11 PM
yes he is...don't play his game
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 3/7/2009, 4:17 PM
Oh Betty..Betty Betty;)

dantbadger i dont mean any disrespect but was the older gentleman you saw this with mentally challenged in some way? Because my 14 year old neice (yeah i know she shouldnt have seen it, what can i do i aint her daddy!) had no trouble understanding it at all
FalconX2
FalconX2 - 3/7/2009, 4:19 PM
@DrFever:

"Curious....you put this much thought into a movie review for a ultra geek website and yet were surprised by the fact a trailer was w/ Dark Knight?"

Surprise more for the fact that the movie was coming. When I heard it was in production, which was like a year prior to TDK, I just shrugged it off. It's supposed to be unfilmable right?

"Anyway, grab a towel, you gotta like Moore on you still."

Hahaha, I know right? :)


@DarkJester:

"...Ok not an easy review, you change your opion way to many times, you dislike it in the headline then you liked them seperately or something along those lines..."

I know... I get too... Complex at times, some ppl just find it best to ignore me. Saves them a headache. ;) I'm not the best at expressing myself in a cognizant way sometimes.

Thx for the props though!


@Rorschach01 CRUSH joslezio85 and dantbadger:

Thanks guys! *thumbs up*
Means a lot!


@MrHand:

It takes all kinds to move the world. The film just didn't have what you were looking forward to. It's always disappointing when that happens to a fan.

I know it may seem like a long ways off. But watch it again in 10 years, you might be surprised how much your perception changes.


@theguywhomayknow:

"Watchmen was a good film, people need to stop comparing it to the graphic novel."

I agree completely to this point. Personally, I think it should be considered an addendum to the graphic novel, rather than an adaptation.


@alten2345:

"But I do think this was as close to getting the story on the screen as could have been done without making a 10 hour movie."

I know right? Although, when it is out on DVD, I'm not entirely sure I wouldn't mind a 10 hr film.
SubyWagon23
SubyWagon23 - 3/7/2009, 4:22 PM
I'm not really a fan of watchmen but I was kinda disappointed and expected more, good thing I got two movie money and didn't pay the full price.
azurekakashi
azurekakashi - 3/7/2009, 5:46 PM
i really don't see why people disliked this film so much
im not sure if people are purists but fact is we were given a good adaption
and if your complaints are things being taken out then hopefully the dvd will fufil you
besides some bad song choices and harold and kumars silk spectar the film was great
BOOK552
BOOK552 - 3/7/2009, 6:01 PM
Betty...dont make me come over there
Betty
Betty - 3/7/2009, 6:16 PM
No, im not just trying to get a rise. I know how you guys feel about speed racer. Its just, looking back over all the recent ones i've seen, as a story and a film in itself, it is the only one that is better than just good. Im not for playing games, im up for discussion. Ledger's performance alone doesnt carry TDK. He nailed it so well i wish it could make TDK a great film. But it didnt. it was only, ok.
AltRockFan
AltRockFan - 3/7/2009, 7:03 PM
Let me preface by saying that I've yet to read the comics. Much like this review, I didn't find Watchmen hard to follow or understand at all. If somebody finds it difficult to understand the meaning (hidden or otherwise) of this article or the film, I don't really think they should be seeing, let alone commenting on, anything deeper than a grade B slasher or romantic comedy. The movie wasn't hard to follow even though there were numerous flashback sequences. The sequences were well placed, and elaborated on the current events of the movie. I'm not sure if the comic books did the same thing or if they just did everything chronologically, but it definitely worked well for the film.

I walked out of the theater at 3 in the morning feeling as though I'd definitely gotten my money's worth. I was saddened by the movie because that was the emotion the movie invoked, not because it was a poorly made film. It all seemed to fit for me.

I think some of the main reasons people would review the film poorly would be...

1. They have an aversion to comic adaptations in general, in which case they'd pan it regardless of its worth.

2. They need plots spelled out for them phonetically like a Disney film.

3. They always play the devil's advocate just to piss people off.

Just some thoughts.
Nice post, FalconX2.
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 3/7/2009, 7:44 PM
Dont get me wrong betty, i didnt think Speed Racer was the worst movie ever made or anything, actually there were parts i enjoyed. I just think comparing it to those movies you mentioned just seems like madness. I mean obviously everybody has different tastes, but by any critical standpoints it just doesnt hold up to them...maybe on special effects (and even thats debateable) But the performances, plot, script, direction, pacing..is all of a higher caliber in TDK, Iron man and Watchmen. Course thats just imho, but id bwe interested to hear your arguments to the contrary at the same time!
FalconX2
FalconX2 - 3/7/2009, 8:24 PM
I would like to clarify something about what I had said. When I say Watchmen was a failure, I actually meant it. It wasn't some sort of attention getting irony. My point is, if you take the 1985 concept of comics and tried to apply it to the graphic novel, then the novel is a failure. It doesn't have an adhesive plot, it's difficult to pinpoint the "hero" and any sense of a villain is skewed. But that is why we love it. To often failure is considered a bad thing. In this case, it was revolutionary. I think this film is the same. Essentially, we can say that a film adaptation of Watchmen is impossible, but what we got may have been even better, we got an amazing experience.

The whole time we waited for the adaptation for a graphic novel, what we may not have realized (or I didn't at the time), was that over the years Watchmen has changed from the revolutionary graphic novel to an entire experience. The film added to that, and it was awesome!

Again, a huge thanks to everyone who took the time to read my review (for better or worse ;)).
pugsley
pugsley - 3/7/2009, 8:44 PM
I was crying too... Haven't seen that much blue penis since I watched the Smurfs on Acid.
NiteowlIII
NiteowlIII - 3/7/2009, 9:01 PM
Speed racer was a horrible movie. Not even memorable at all.
Betty
Betty - 3/7/2009, 9:07 PM
Ugh, Ive tried writting this so many times,

OK, when i think about the characters themselves, watchmen, tdk, iron man are all way cooler than speed racer. Hands down. I think its just that i can identify with the story in speed racer more than the other recent comicbook movies. As campy and borderline cartoony as it is, the story and acting are alot more believable than most.

SUPASEGO
SUPASEGO - 3/7/2009, 10:09 PM
The movie was good.. not great.. No need to make long drawn out novels to give an opinion about this movie.. Too many people in here and abroad look for too much from comicbook movies/graphic novels.. If the movie bored you fine.. If it kept you watching and wanting more fine.. To say that this movie was a failure is a stretch.. Someone used words like "campy & cartoony".. Well again comicbooks are campy & cartoony.. DOH! If you live in the real world then try to distinguish between what comicbook movies are and what they're not.. When l goto a movie l want to be "entertained".. I'm not looking to see any mystical, personal self-identifying, BS.. I'm looking to experience some visual,audio, SFX in the thearter.. Amaze me if possible.. On certain levels this film did slightly amaze me.. I liked the Rorschach character alot.. too bad.. nevermind (I don't wanna give anything away).. And one last thing.. Unless a movie is 5 hours long... you're not going to be able to get everything that a gothic novel or even a whole comicbook story provides..
SUPASEGO
SUPASEGO - 3/7/2009, 10:10 PM
Oh yeah.. BTW Speedracer sucked sucked sucked..
JYCowboy
JYCowboy - 3/8/2009, 12:36 AM
Some have expressed emptiness or a sadness about the ending. I did get it. Take your mind from the comic and try to relate to the story with modern themes. The loss you feel is the same as 9/11/01. A great disaster happen in NY that brought the nations together under a common cause. This is the metaphor that Snyder wanted to express. This is what links this story from our past to issues of today. Its quite common in films and comics to link such relvance.

There are some wonderful moments in this journey and look forward to seeing it again.
SuperFlyinPwrs
SuperFlyinPwrs - 3/8/2009, 1:04 AM
Just saw the film. Very impressed. I actually liked it.
Floppyspider
Floppyspider - 3/8/2009, 1:38 AM
i just saw it last friday and i was completely blown away, every trailer i had seen of watchmen made me (almost) drool and i said to my girlfriend WE HAVE TO GO SEE IT!!! and she really deeple hates comicbooks-_- but she respects me loving them. and when we walked out of the cinema she was like LET'S GO SEE IT AGAIN!!!!
so the next day we went again hahaha:P and i bought her the comic for her birthday:)ow yea and i havent even seen speedracer but from the trailers and images i could already make out it was gonna suck i thought it would be alot like the thunderbirds movie(the real life one):P sorry
red5
red5 - 3/8/2009, 3:06 AM
I saw the film at midnight of march 6th and i loved the crap out of it. Don't get me wrong, i had problems with some of the changes that were made to make it more "film-able" but i was still happy with at least the fact that there was a movie for the watchmen which i have been waiting for since i was 8 (when i first read watchmen, im 21 now). But to say that the watchmen movie made you fell like you would never want to read it again is just ridiculous, that should have made you want to read it even more if you were so disappointed with the movie, just so that you could remember it for what it truly is...a masterpiece. besides from me wanting to read it again after i watched the film (which i already have) i can tell you that there is one scene which i knew would win me over...and that is the scene in which rorschach gets killed by dr. manhattan. I remember reading watchmen for the very first time and not having any idea what was going on (because i was 8) and getting to those panels and finally realizing what truly happened (in terms of the story). And that scene in the movie did it for me, i was actually sad to see him die, and it brought back all those same feelings that i had when i first read it when i was 8. I dont care if watchmen had no revolutionary camera angles of filming techniques, thats not what it was about...it was about finally getting a movie out there that was watchmen. And you dont lie when to anyone when you walked out of that movie theatre thinking about all the changes made to the film because you've read it so many times...because i felt the same way. All i can say is that a year ago we didnt even have a movie based on it, now we do. Obvously it wasn't going to live up to the real thing but at least its something...so dont act like its ruined the whole thing for you...because thats just ridiculous. I bet within a year you'll be reading it agian, if that.
red5
red5 - 3/8/2009, 3:15 AM
and as far as betty goes...how can you relate to speed racer unless you are a race car driver for your family's own race car company with an older brother that used to race and has since "died" in one of those races. You are an idiot.
Icaro
Icaro - 3/8/2009, 10:07 AM
I think people should forget to compare the movie with the comic. They are different things. What if we read all the novels the studios use to base their movies?? I think no one did it or will do.
TimeLordLantern
TimeLordLantern - 3/8/2009, 11:10 AM
I disagree with him, because it was the closest comic to movie adaptation i've ever seen. Of course they would leave out a bunch of things, but the things they left out were OK to leave out. Silk Spectre doesn't NEED to smoke. They squid was OK to leave out because it brought a more likely twist to the story. I think it was the best COMIC book movie so far.
DarkAvengers
DarkAvengers - 3/8/2009, 11:22 AM
The film was just like the book. I am not the biggest fan because not much really happened. Once is enough for me. The motion comic is a good buy though.
SuperHeroStuffdotCom
SuperHeroStuffdotCom - 3/8/2009, 11:26 AM
The Watchmen movie was a fantastic adaptation from the comic book. Snyder painfully, and lovingly, adhered to the theme that Moore and Gibbons created 20 years ago.

FalconX2, even though you go on to say that it is “a completion of a journey …[and] PART OF the Watchmen experience,” and that the film “failed” in it’s adaptation, I beg to differ in stating that the film was an ultimate success in it's adaptation. It succeeded just as Peter Jackson’s translation of LOTR succeeded. The commitment and attention to detail and strict adherence to the plot and imagery in the comic is unlike no other comic-to-film ever seen, except for what we saw in Robert Rodriguez’s Sin City.

I cannot stop thinking about this movie and how accurate and dead on target it was in honoring the works of Moore. Everything about this movie was taken STRAIGHT from the comic. Even though the scene with the newspaper stand and the kid reading the Black Freighter comic had no more than a couple seconds on screen, you will notice that Snyder duplicated virtually everything from the comic, down to the patch on the kid’s left knee and the green sweater worn by the street vendor with the left-over-right lapel. http://www.superherostuff.com/superhero-movies/images/watchmen-newsstand.html (Notice who is in the foreground of the movie pic.)

This is truly a movie that can only be fully appreciated by those who have read, and reread, the work that Moore and Gibbons gave birth to so many years ago. Each time you read Watchmen, you learn a little more about the story that you hadn’t known before. I cannot WAIT to see this movie again and to buy the extended version dvd with the extra hour and a half.

I loved this movie.
spanky
spanky - 3/8/2009, 1:02 PM
betty u suck just like that shity movie speed racer.
sorry but that movie did suck pretty bad.
breakUbatman
breakUbatman - 3/8/2009, 1:35 PM
@ SUPASEGO
People expect more from comic book movies because there is no reason why they cant be expected to be held to the same standards as movies with original scripts or other film genres.

I only read the first issue of Watchmen a day before it screened at the movies, I'll read the rest later as I find that better, anyways I had no problem with the movie, it was good.

The main reason why I think people may hold the movie up to the novel is because Snyder basically uses the comic for story boards, so as you watch it you reference the book, unlike Batman Begins where it was general ideas from Year One.

I'm a bit dissapointed though because I expected more from Snyder because of 300 and in parts he used that slo-mo of his too much.
TheLarTheorem
TheLarTheorem - 3/8/2009, 1:57 PM
I know how he feels with this review, I haven't seen Watchmen yet, but some movies just 'get' you like that.
darkcrow
darkcrow - 3/8/2009, 2:24 PM
This movie is no more a failure than Dark Knight was. Blast me, Flame me, i don't care.
Watchmen was a movie that lead to something, Dark Knight was a "plot revealed within the first 5 minutes.
As a movie The Watchmen was not meant to be an Oscar winning Juggernaut that Titanic was or whatever you think to compare it to. Simply put it was a great novel made into a great film.
Snyder did exactly what everyone wanted, he kept the movie true to the book, almost page for page and word for word in some scenes.
This film is refreshing in the sense of a director and producer and writer putting this film together with the idea that it was a prefect story to begin with and didn't need a new location, character or dialogue the characters would never use. See the first "Hulk" and the first 2 "Punisher" disasters for reference. What he did was make this movie one for the comic lovers, not the pseudo-intillectual movie critic with his head so far up his ass or the typical person on the street who has no clue about this movie, what Snyder did was make this a film for the fans, a tribute to a wonderful story and a wonderful collection of fans.
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