AGATHA ALL ALONG Showrunner Seemingly Reveals The Identity Of Nicky's "Father" - SPOILERS

AGATHA ALL ALONG Showrunner Seemingly Reveals The Identity Of Nicky's "Father" - SPOILERS

Agatha All Along showrunner Jac Schaeffer has commented on casting Nicky in the WandaVision follow-up and drops her biggest hint yet about who the boy's "father" likely is. Be warned that spoilers follow.

By JoshWilding - Nov 07, 2024 04:11 AM EST
Filed Under: Agatha: Coven of Chaos

In Agatha All Along's finale, we learned more about Agatha Harkness' past and the truth about her son, Nicky (better known to comic book fans as Nicholas Scratch). 

Just as Agatha was about to give birth, Death showed up to claim the child; however, the witch pleaded for more time and seemingly bought that by killing witches. On the one night - at Nicky's prompting - that she didn't, Death finally came for him and Agatha, ashamed of her actions, spent hundreds of years murdering her fellow magic-users on the "Witches' Road" to avoid being reunited with the boy. 

Much has been said about who his father could be and, in a new interview, Agatha All Along showrunner Jac Schaeffer dropped her biggest hint yet that Rio Vidal/Death conceived the child with the show's title character. 

"I will say [Laughs] that when we were casting sometimes we were like, 'Does that kid look like Rio? Does that kid look like Aubrey Plaza?'" the writer and director teased. "Fans and viewers, yes, are picking up on our brainwaves for sure."

Schaeffer added, "I didn't anticipate that the shippers would be so fervent. You never know how anything is going to land or if people are going to care. The amount of people that care is staggering to me. It's my hope that in the MCU there's more unpacking of the Agatha & Rio backstory."

This lines up with previous comments about a man not being needed to conceive a witch's child and the fact "Rio" had to take her own son into the afterlife adds another tragic dimension to her past romance with Agatha. 

There are lots of stories that could be told with an adult Nicky (especially if he really is an "Agent of Mephisto"). Still, as Schaeffer points out, most fans remain eager to learn more about Agatha and Death' past...and to see Plaza reprise her role in the MCU as soon as possible.

You can check out the full interview with Schaeffer below. 

In Agatha All Along, the infamous Agatha Harkness finds herself down and out of power after a suspicious goth Teen helps break her free from a distorted spell. Her interest is piqued when he begs her to take him on the legendary Witches' Road, a magical gauntlet of trials that, if survived, rewards a witch with what they’re missing.

Together, Agatha and this mysterious Teen pull together a desperate coven, and set off down, down, down The Road. 

The series stars Kathryn Hahn, Joe Locke, Sasheer Zamata, Ali Ahn, Maria Dizzia, Paul Adelstein, Miles Gutierrez-Riley, Okwui Okpokwasili, with Debra Jo Rupp, with Patti LuPone, and Aubrey Plaza.

All episodes of Agatha All Along are now streaming on Disney+.

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Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 11/7/2024, 4:52 AM
WAIT WHAT!!! Kang?! ....so is true, once you go Kang , you got a suspended sentence.
Fogs
Fogs - 11/7/2024, 4:53 AM
Yeah, who needs those filthy men.
Urubrodi
Urubrodi - 11/7/2024, 4:54 AM
@Fogs - Considering the kid didn't last very long probably she did need one.
Urubrodi
Urubrodi - 11/7/2024, 4:53 AM
Say what now?! I mean I know Death is not human but that is just weird. Acolyte all over again.
Clintthahamster
Clintthahamster - 11/7/2024, 8:41 AM
@Urubrodi - It's a show about immortal witches traveling down a fantastical path that was generated accidentally by an amnesiac teenager's mind, but this is a bridge too far?
Urubrodi
Urubrodi - 11/7/2024, 9:01 AM
@Clintthahamster - Not too far no, just lame story telling in my point of view
Goldboink
Goldboink - 11/7/2024, 9:35 AM
@Urubrodi - And a step too far for the mainstream IMHO. I love me some different, don't get me wrong, but damn.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 11/7/2024, 5:07 AM
Wait, so Agatha murdered witches to keep the child, but then murdered witches to avoid being with him? I haven't watched the show, so I have no idea how this makes sense.
NeverluckySMILE
NeverluckySMILE - 11/7/2024, 5:20 AM
@bkmeijer1 - she murdered witches to give Nicky a time. One time when she didn't kill Nicky got sick and died. After his death I think she still was murdering witches to keep herself alive? or maybe revenge? or maybe both.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 11/7/2024, 5:24 AM
@NeverluckySMILE - oh gotcha. Didn't get the part that he died, but I guess I should've since Death took him (as in literal death and not just the character).
ptick
ptick - 11/7/2024, 5:27 AM
@bkmeijer1 - Neither of those things are explicitly stated in the show, though the first one is an easy conclusion to draw. The second one? More of a stretch. Agatha as a ghost admits to Billy that she doesn't want to face Nicky because of what she's done - while Billy was trying to cast her out. Of course that could just be Agatha emotionally manipulating the situation, but even if we take her at her word, that doesn't mean she was killing witches the whole time to stay alive - or at least that it was the only reason.

Beyond that, I'm not even convinced that it's solely the killing witches part that makes her not want to face Nicholas. It's that she used the song they wrote together *as a con* to lure witches to their deaths for centuries.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 11/7/2024, 6:06 AM
@ptick - yeah okay, that's sounds a whole lot more layered than what I got from the article. Thanks
Radders
Radders - 11/7/2024, 8:26 AM
@ptick - Quick note, She was already using the song as a lure to murder witches and her son was helping her by singing it
ptick
ptick - 11/7/2024, 5:22 AM
So in another article it's reported that they *considered* making Rio the "dad" but they ultimately decided who his father is wasn't important and is a story for someone else to tell - according to Schaeffer herself.

Knowing that, these references to casting were probably from the stage where they were considering the idea - it doesn't at all mean that that's cannon to the show.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 11/7/2024, 5:28 AM
Mephisto would make the most sense considering his name is Nicholas Scratch (another name for the devil).
MisterDoctor217
MisterDoctor217 - 11/7/2024, 5:35 AM
That’s crazy but within the context of the show I liked it , the show was far more darker than I thought It would be , so this kinda fits.
Batmandalorian
Batmandalorian - 11/7/2024, 7:09 AM
✂️ ✂️ 🤔
DocSpock
DocSpock - 11/7/2024, 8:33 AM

5 gallon Hollywood induced throw up. Chapter 1.723 billion.

slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 11/7/2024, 8:33 AM
I liked it better when every answer (right and/or wrong) was Mephisto.

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Radders
Radders - 11/7/2024, 8:43 AM
I think Jac Schaffer needs to stop talking now, because everything she says makes this show worse.

The whole killing witches to stay alive so she didn't see her son is head canon, and makes no sense.

We know witches already live a very long time so nope on that. She was killing witches before he was born, he was helping her kill witches as a child and she continued killing witches after he died, in fact, before the dust had settled.
We know that they had been killing witches using Nicholas singing the song as a lure for a long time because the Road had entered into mythology in a world where it could only have spread by word of mouth slowed by them killing witches who heard it.

Parking the idea that she would be ashamed to face her son, given he was helping her in her murder spree is kind of weird, wouldn't the simple answer be the Thanos story...Agatha was courting Death because she's a murdering psychopath- they nicked so much else in the show so why not that!

As I said before there is no consistent characterisation or motivations for Agatha in this show, they don't seem to understand the basics or their own character.
twistedcastles
twistedcastles - 11/7/2024, 10:12 AM
@Radders -
Agatha feels guilty
That Nicky might blame her for his death
Nicky is why she changes her mind about saving Billy

Agatha taking power was almost addictive in it's execution

Like an addiction it seemed to make her feel good thereby making her not face the fact she let her guard down and Nicky died

Agatha is a loner
She looks out for her self thats the one consistent thing with her, even with the end of the show the implication seems to be sticking around Billy to get him to give her a physical body or trick him into it
If he can do it for Tommy he can likely do it for her

Agatha characterisation makes sense if you think about how she is mostly self centred and selfish and she doesn't have anyone on her side so she sees people as expandable


Agatha is a Disney villain
It's all about her
Radders
Radders - 11/13/2024, 8:56 AM
@twistedcastles - How did she let her guard down? She wasn't stopping or preventing his death. Why would Nicky blame her, he only lived this long because of her relationship with death.

Agatha's self centred until she's not, she's ruthless until she's not, she has no guilt until she does
thomashilfiger
thomashilfiger - 11/7/2024, 8:56 AM
"Just as Agatha was about to give birth, Death showed up to claim the child; however, the witch pleaded for more time and seemingly bought that by killing witches. On the one night - at Nicky's prompting - that she didn't, Death finally came for him and Agatha, ashamed of her actions, spent hundreds of years murdering her fellow magic-users on the "Witches' Road" to avoid being reunited with the boy. "

Is this your theory or something confirmed?

Cause I watched it and I interpreted it that Agatha was killing the witches on her own for power and shits and giggles - I didnt interpret it as she was killing witches to keep Rio fed with bodies.
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 11/7/2024, 9:09 AM
@thomashilfiger - think it’s implied when he’s a baby and she kills the first coven. He goes from a crying hungry baby to being full
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