Why The Dark Knight Rises's ending IS a Batman ending

Why The Dark Knight Rises's ending IS a Batman ending

The Dark Knight Rises is a movie that comic book fans either love or hate, I haven’t seen many in between. There are many faults that the people that hate it have found in the movie, but one has recently come to my attention. This fault is that “it’s not a Batman-like ending” or that it “isn’t Batman”. Well, I’m here to tell you why I think it is.

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By JorEllinator - Feb 24, 2014 11:02 AM EST
Filed Under: Batman



Well, why do I love the ending of the movie? I love it because it IS Batman at its heart, under the “Batman doesn’t quit” rule, it IS Batman. The themes of The Dark Knight Rises are of Bruce letting go and rising from the ashes. This is a part of Bruce’s journey through the trilogy, and it goes like this:

Batman Begins: Beginning.
The Dark Knight: Falling.
The Dark Knight Rises: Rising.



This is reflected in many aspects of the movie, in the dialogue, in the characters and even the colour palette. Throughout the movies Bruce is broken down and built up. So, to the ending! Bruce fakes his death, goes to live with Selina and Robin “John” Blake takes over as Batman.



John Blake and Batman’s ending (or is it?)

Before any of you say anything, it is implied that Robin “John” Blake becomes Batman more than it is implied that John Blake becomes Nightwing. Really think about this for a second, yes, John is revealed to be Robin and an amalgamation of all of the Robins. In my opinion, John has the origin of Jason Todd and the personality of Dick Grayson, even having Dick’s former occupation when he was a cop in Bludhaven. But what did Dick Grayson do after Bruce Wayne died? What did all of the Robins do when Batman died? They fought for the cowl.
As well as this, why would John become Nightwing? The Bat-symbol is rebuilt by Bruce, implying that BATMAN lives, not Nightwing. This is a symbol for Gordon that Batman lives, and a signal for John Blake, as Batman. This means that Bruce intended for John to become BATMAN and continue his legacy. This is also shown when Bruce gives John the BAT-cave and his monologue about Batman being a legend and a symbol that is ever-living. Why am I telling you this? Why am I proving that John took over as Batman? You’ll find out.
So, back to where we were before. Bruce fakes his death and John takes over as Batman. Remember in Batman Begins, where Ra’s Al Ghul was telling Bruce that he could become “More than just a man” that he can become “a legend”? Remember when Bruce said “People need dramatic examples to shake them out of apathy and I can't do that as Bruce Wayne. As a man, I'm flesh and blood, I can be ignored, I can be destroyed; but as a symbol... as a symbol I can be incorruptible, I can be everlasting.”? Emphasis on the words “legend” and “everlasting”. Bruce Wayne, through handing John Blake the cowl, has made Batman a legend, Batman has become everlasting.



Bruce Wayne’s Ending

So, onto Bruce’s happy ending. This is a scene of much unneeded debate. Yes, it’s real. I don’t know why people thought Alfred was imagining it. If Alfred was imagining it, he wouldn’t have though of Selina Kyle as the woman Bruce was with. He probably would have imagined Rachel, Bruce’s REAL happy ending. This is the scene that people say isn’t Batman, they say that Batman would NEVER have a happy ending.
Let’s go into the psychology of Batman. Most people agree with the theory that Batman is two people, Bruce Wayne and Batman, and maybe another that only Alfred knows. Bruce Wayne, at his heart, is a man trying to create a world where his parents wouldn’t have been shot. Bruce Wayne at his heart wants a happy ending. He is a man, he’s flesh and blood, he can be ignored, he can be destroyed but as a symbol, he can be incorruptible. Batman is that symbol. Batman is the exaggerated version of Bruce. He’s incorruptible, he’s EVERLASTING. Batman is an ideal. The real Bruce Wayne/Batman is a combination of the two. The difference between Bruce Wayne and Batman are that Bruce Wayne is a person that died a long time ago, a dead man that never left a body behind. Batman is an ideal. Batman isn’t a person.
So, what do we have here? An ideal and a dead guy.



The Dark Knight Returns- The “Definitive” ending to Batman

Most comic book fans consider Frank Miller’s graphic novel, The Dark Knight Returns to be Batman’s definitive ending. The Dark Knight Rises, to a point ends similarly to The Dark Knight Returns but differently too. They both end in Bruce Wayne and Batman parting ways. In The Dark Knight Rises, Bruce Wayne keeps the body. In The Dark Knight Returns, Batman keeps the body. Y’know what? I prefer Nolan’s ending. Why? Because Nolan ended it in a way that they both live. Batman and Bruce Wayne both live. Sure, Bruce Wayne gets the body, but Batman also lives on. Bruce Wayne lives on, lives a happy life. Bruce gets what he wanted. “But Jor, you said it ended similarly to The Dark Knight Returns, but it doesn’t sound similar at all!”
It is similar because Batman also gets his happy ending. This is a common misconception with Bat-fans. I think that people got the wrong idea out of The Dark Knight Returns, I think that people got the wrong idea out of Batman. Batman’s happy ending, is BEING Batman. Batman in a way does and doesn’t want a happy ending. Batman is already living his happy ending. Batman’s happy ending is to BE everlasting, it’s to be incorruptible. At the end of The Dark Knight Returns, Batman after getting rid of Bruce Wayne, after starting a plan to “bring sense to a world plagued by worse than thieves and murderers”, he says “This will be a good life, good enough.”. The comic ends. There you have it, Batman’s happy ending. Batman’s happy ending is to be everlasting. Batman gets his happy ending through John Blake and through whoever else becomes Batman after John Blake. In both endings, Batman lives. This is way beyond Bruce Wayne.
Batman was only just starting.

That’s why I like The Dark Knight Rises’s ending more than The Dark Knight Return’s ending. Nolan was able to pull off an ending for both Bruce Wayne and Batman, while creating a new beginning for Batman. Giving Batman his happy ending, that he never ends.

And then Frank Miller had to frick it all up with The Dark Knight Strikes Again!



JORELLINATOR OUT!


I'd like to thank Yonny 616 for inspiration for this article.
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DEVLIN712
DEVLIN712 - 2/24/2014, 11:44 AM
Nice write up, I don't see why people give TDKR so much shit. Sure it was the weakest of the trilogy but it's still a brilliant film. I feel if Nolan hadn't set the bar so high with Batman Begins and The Dark Knight we'd all love Rises a lot more
rmf1979
rmf1979 - 2/24/2014, 12:00 PM
EPIC!
JorEllinator
JorEllinator - 2/24/2014, 12:11 PM
@DEVLIN712
Rises is actually my favourite of the trilogy without being objective. I can see why people were disappointed though, but not enough to tear it into pieces. I see it like I see the original Star Wars trilogy.

Star Wars- Fantastic start
The Empire Strikes Back- Best movie in the trilogy
Return of the Jedi- Still a great movie but weakest

It's kind of the same as Return of the Jedi is my favourite without being objective.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 2/24/2014, 12:40 PM
Great write up! But even beyond everything you mentioned (or maybe I'm really just summing it up), it all comes down to the fact that a major theme in all 3 movies is that "Anyone can be Batman." Anyone can aspire to be him, anyone can be motivated by him, anyone can be inspired by him. And the ending of The Dark Knight Rises is the big payoff to that. Bruce finally gets his happy ending (which wouldn't have been possible if he was killed off in the blast. It would've been an extreme betrayal to that character had he been killed off), and Batman lives on as John Robin Blake. That's the main reason why the ending works so well, IMO.

As for The Dark Knight Rises in general, it was still a fantastic movie that gets better and better with each viewing. It certainly has flaws, stemming from having a few too many characters, some plot contrivances, and a bit of a weaker script (but not as bad as people make it out to be). The biggest screw-up was the fact that Heath Ledger unfortunately died. He would've had a huge part in Nolan's 3rd Bat movie, and it's so sad to realize that we may never know how the trilogy would've played out had things gone according to plan. But despite that, Nolan managed to wrap the trilogy and it's themes up compeltely satisfactorily, and that's all I could ask. Fantastic trilogy overall.
Odin
Odin - 2/24/2014, 12:51 PM
Can't we let this be already. I know that delay of Batman/Superman has upset people, but arguing about this movie again...just no.
TheRealDorkKnight
TheRealDorkKnight - 2/24/2014, 1:08 PM
I just can't disagree with you more. Rises is a terrible film. Batman movie or not I can't sit through it. I love Begins and TDK but rises is just a shit movie. Full of plot holes. Boring story. The only thing I actually enjoyed was Cat woman and even then that was the actress that I thought sold it.
DEVLIN712
DEVLIN712 - 2/24/2014, 1:08 PM
Gusto
What do you mean "shame"? Didn't you see how happy they were at the thought?
JorEllinator
JorEllinator - 2/24/2014, 1:27 PM
@ALmight
Batman is that way in this movie, why do you think when Bruce quit, he wouldn't let Bruce out for years? Why do you think he took the fall for Harvey Dent? He would do anything in his power to keep Gotham safe. If Batman had the opportunity to keep everybody who Harvey Dent put away in prison, why wouldn't he take it? It's that compulsive part of him that kept Bruce away from society for so many years, he was waiting for things to go bad again. Batman with a happy ending IS Batman, so is Bruce Wayne. Batman's happy ending is living on as John Blake or whoever comes after him. Batman's happy ending is becoming everlasting, going beyond Bruce Wayne. Bruce Wayne is flesh and blood and now that they're separated, he can finally go live with Selina in Italy. Bruce Wayne is human, he can sleep at night knowing that his legacy lives on, the persona that was once part of him lives, making the world a place where Bruce's parents were never killed in that dark alley. Bruce Wayne and Batman are two different people, and in the end of The Dark Knight Rises they part ways and live on. Bruce Wayne lives a better life, while Batman lives on as John Blake. Batman didn't end, he's only just beginning.
JorEllinator
JorEllinator - 2/24/2014, 1:46 PM
@dethpillow
Glad you liked the article. I can see where people who can't see Bruce Wayne with a happy ending are coming from, since people have different interpretations of Batman's psyche. I don't know how I would've felt if Batman had just died. It would have been hilarious to see the 6 year old Batman fans walk out of the movie theatre crying but that's just my dark sense of humour. To me it would have just been the same as The Dark Knight Returns, Bruce Wayne is dead but Batman lives on. I wouldn't have minded it, and it would've shut up a lot of the people complaining about the happy ending but I like the fact that both of the people in Bruce's mind have their happy ending. I also prefer it as we'll probably never see Bruce having a happy ending in the comics, since Batman in the comics has much more control of the mind of Bruce Wayne. Batman in the comics is much more violent and terrible to Bruce, and like you said, "a bad thing". We've seen him go through his friends being crippled, killed, his back being broken, he even died once but he'll never give up, he'll die fighting. So, in all that tragedy we comic fans see regularly, it was nice to see Bruce Wayne finally separated from Batman and leading a normal life.
Pedrito
Pedrito - 2/24/2014, 1:46 PM
@sauron
I don't see what role the Joker could've played in TDKR. Unless he was also working for Talia all along. (Ugh!)
To me, TDK was the perfect ending to Nolan's Batman. "I think you and I are destined to do this forever."
JorEllinator
JorEllinator - 2/24/2014, 2:03 PM
@dethpillow
I think that the fact that Batman tortured him for eight years is a reason why Bruce would have an effect on Bruce, I mean, he was a recluse because Batman needed things to go bad again. He was a demon that needed feeding. When Bane comes it's kind of like the pain is easier. Another part of this IS the arrival of John Blake, he finds a man that is like him, an idealistic man who wants to serve justice. That's why Batman has Robin, to continue his legacy. Batman chooses children in the comics because they're easy to manipulate. The figurative death also has a big deal. I think Batman (presumably) ejected in the last minute because he realised what he was doing. There is a part where the bomb is about to detonate and it's the last shot of Batman in the batwing, he just stops, and there's a look in his eyes. It's almost like he's crying, a realisation, "Am I really allowing this demon to control me to my death?" It's subtle. It's silent. But it's perfect, it shows how great the acting is. Bruce just had that "OH SHIT!" moment and it is then that he realises that he WANTS to live. It's almost for a split second that Bruce takes control of himself again and presumably ejects, leaving the autopilot on. Why did Bruce leave John his stuff in his will? Because that's a precautionary measure the Batman took, he'd do anything to keep his legacy going. Yes, it's a lot of things but it's that really subtle realisation that Bruce realises that he wants to live.
JorEllinator
JorEllinator - 2/24/2014, 2:09 PM
@Pedrito
No, the Joker is just a dog chasing cars. Talia and Bane would've had probably nothing to do with it, unless Joker was going to be one of the escapees of Blackgate (which is stupid since he should be in Arkham). I like how it is, becoming full circle. Rises is the film that really bridges Begins and TDK.
MrReese
MrReese - 2/24/2014, 2:29 PM
Regardless how ppl feel bout TDKR it's still a decent conclusion 2 what Nolan was doing.It's the perfect CBM trilogy imo.It brings it full circle 2 Begins & I like that.Little shit like Miranda/Talia telling Bruce "U have 2 invest if u want 2 restore balance 2 the world", which echoes what Ra's said in Begins.
yonny616
yonny616 - 2/24/2014, 3:54 PM


That was a great read!

@Gusto The bomb was made from a fusion reactor. A fusion nuclear bomb doesn't create as much fallout as the typical fission bomb.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 2/24/2014, 5:08 PM
For me, I think it would make more thematic sense for Blake to just carry on being identified as The Batman, even if his armor and mannerisms resembled Nightwing (but I really don't find the kind of armor he wears or that type of stuff important in the long run). It'd create a sense of mysticism that, even though Batman apparently died in full view of the entire city, and the entire city knows that Gordon destroyed the Bat-signal, it'd just be so mind-boggling for the average citizen to see that same signal lit up again, and hearing rumors and stories or even catching glimpses of some caped crusader (Blake) bringing criminals to justice...something they know that only Batman could do. It really would make Batman seem immortal and everlasting and even more a legend than he already was, and I feel that was the whole point to the end of The Dark Knight Rises.
JamesMan
JamesMan - 2/24/2014, 6:31 PM
The Dark Knight Rises is my favorite film of all time so bravo.
staypuffed
staypuffed - 2/24/2014, 8:24 PM
Hype is what made people dislike The Dark Knight Rises. People waiting for four [frick]ing years after the greatest CBM of all time, and it couldn't possible live up to the expectations. Upon watching it for about the fifth time, I know it's a great film. The weakest of The Dark Knight Trilogy, but still fantastic.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 2/24/2014, 10:57 PM
It's hard to take it that seriously when the story wasn't even supposed to make it past 'the Dark Knight'. Then it made a billion dollars and WB told Chris Nolan "take my money!"

I pretend it just didn't happen. It's not important. It didn't impact the film industry, or the comic book movie genre. And despite making even more money than 'the Dark Knight', it's not even going to have an impact on the future DC movies, Batman included. A new Batman is going to be featured, not just a new actor, but a different one whose past might as well have been rebooted from the trilogy four years prior.
feedonatreefrog
feedonatreefrog - 2/24/2014, 11:11 PM
It's simple.

Bruce's body reached his limit, and it would be selfish for him to throw his life away by continuing as Batman.

Now with the immediate threat taken care of, he passes down the mantle to someone who has the will ("the training is nothing, the will is everything!") and now the tools to take over. The strength of Batman in the Nolanverse was always more about symbolic power and the willingness to work outside the law, not the fact that he could do martial arts.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 2/24/2014, 11:45 PM
I really don't want to get into it, but another part of me's just itching to get it out.

Again. For the fifth, sixth, or seventh time.

TDK wasn't absolutely perfect, but it was great. Just about everyone agrees that it's the best Batman movie, and while I'm not a fan of all the things they breezed over, I think it was definitely the highest point so far.

I don't have the source, unfortunately, but years and years ago, and it was back on SuperHeroHype.... there was something about Nolan not having even written a draft yet (regarding TDKR). I know, without a source, it's as if it didn't happen.

Everything about TDKR is gratuitous. The only character to make her first appearance in a movie from the comics was Talia, and they really messed her up. Bane was actually my favorite character of the movie, if you can believe that. I'm a Tom Hardy fan, so I guess it's pretty believable. But they give Talia this super generic revenge story that really doesn't make a whole lot of sense (but I'm sure those immensely loyal to the trilogy will find meaning somewhere) that is EXTREMELY similar to Harry Osborn wanting to avenge his father. You don't feel for the character, hell, you don't even know who she really is until it's spelled out. You don't care about her motivations, and definitely don't sympathize with her goal. She's so unlike Talia, in fact, I think she's got more in common with Nyssa Raatko.

The dumb logic in the movie is... well, it's dumb. Everything that was breezed over in TDK is multiplied in TDKR, and it's aggravating. People talk about the suspension of disbelief in COSTUMES, but I can't wrap my head around Gotham City's stupidity. The stock exchange was bad - it's like trying to rob a bank and not only getting away with it, but actually emptying the funds of the people whose money you arbitrarily stole. As if it wasn't insured or protected. You've got a killer/terrorist with hostages, and the police force completely breaks off from them and goes for Batman. Then there's the idea to send all of Gotham's police force into the sewers at once, because that wouldn't be a job for the National Guard, would it?

You've got all of that nonsense, and it just keeps piling up. The pit isn't guarded. The army doesn't actually do anything outside of sending in ONE stealth team. Bruce's back is somehow better after the "treatment" in the pit, not made worse after falling from such heights. Batman puts Gotham in Selina's hands even after she betrayed him and doomed the city. The bomb doesn't affect Gotham one bit (yep, it's fusion... a fictional one that makes a mushroom cloud... would I give em the benefit of the doubt at this point?)

So completely disregard the fact that it's a comic book movie at this point. I mean, I didn't try to look for accuracy with Batman Begins, even less so with the Dark Knight. I thought the Joker was fantastic with all of the black comedy poured in and Heath Ledger's constant twitching, but I thought Harvey and Rachel were really cheesy. I loved Scarecrow's nutty monstrosity coming from such a closeted and subdued effeminate man, and I really loved Ra's al Ghul's idealistic speeches (and Liam Neeson's just fantastic anyway). I liked Tom Hardy's ham and intimidating body language.

What I haven't liked in any of the movies, however, is this imaginary sign like you'd see on a live tv show indicating when the audience should laugh... for the trilogy, it was like a light-up sign would glow "it makes sense".
feedonatreefrog
feedonatreefrog - 2/25/2014, 12:29 AM
TDKR is awesome ;)

Logic be damned.
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