Evidence of DOCTOR STRANGE Having No Origin Story

Evidence of DOCTOR STRANGE Having No Origin Story

Devin Faraci recently suggested that Marvel's upcoming Doctor Strange film will not be an origin film. Does this bit support his claim?

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By Starkasm - Aug 17, 2014 04:08 AM EST
Filed Under: Doctor Strange



As the teaser states, Devin Faraci recently came out saying Marvel's upcoming introduction to the Sorcerer Supreme will not be an origin film. Here is the quote:

"So, for Dr. Strange they've had a script in-house forever. It is a pretty standard origin story for Doctor Strange. It's got Baron Mordo as the bad guy. That's all gone. Marvel's new thing is no more origin stories. So, Dr. Strange movie no longer has an origin. It begins in medias res. It has Dr. Strange already established as the Sorcerer Supreme. It is a totally new script. Jon Spaihts is working totally new, On his own, without any of the previous stuff. Not even touching the previous script." - Devin Faraci


While being interrogated by Cap, Black Widow & the Falcon, Jasper Sitwell gives some information on Project Insight and the algorithym that Arnim Zola wrote. More specifically, who it will target. Among others, Bruce Banner and Stephen Strange are mentioned. Of course Bruce Banner AKA The Hulk has already been established in the MCU, but it is the mention of Stephen Strange which sparks some thought. Up until now, people thought of it as nothing more than a nice little easter egg, but with this new information could this be confirmation to Devin Faraci's claims? Afterall, why would he be considered a threat if he was still a surgeon?

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Maven
Maven - 8/17/2014, 4:32 AM
*Sigh*

Feige himself addressed the Cap scene. Said not to jump to conclusions and that Strange could have been targeted for being a pr*ck.
Maven
Maven - 8/17/2014, 4:36 AM
"Zola's algorithm evaluates people's past, to predict their future..."
Starkasm
Starkasm - 8/17/2014, 4:36 AM
@Maven

Because Feige never ever bends the truth...

@BatManiac

Exactly.
Starkasm
Starkasm - 8/17/2014, 4:40 AM
For that to make any sense, Strange would have had to have some sort of exposure to the mystic arts in the past.
You couldn't "predict" what happens to him.
Already being Sorcerer Supreme, or at least in training only makes sense.
Starkasm
Starkasm - 8/17/2014, 4:41 AM
@BatManiac

For sure. He's mentioned directly after Bruce Banner, you wouldn't go from a heavy hitter like Hulk to some surgoen.
Maven
Maven - 8/17/2014, 4:46 AM
I'm fine with them going about it through (scattered) flashbacks. By 2016, Strange'd be entering the MCU too late IMO. Concern with Panther, too.
Maven
Maven - 8/17/2014, 4:48 AM
Too late with an origin, I mean.
Maven
Maven - 8/17/2014, 4:54 AM
Was the original draft that leaked here legit? It suggested the film was set immediately after IM1.
Starkasm
Starkasm - 8/17/2014, 5:04 AM
@Maven

Not necessarily.
Strange could just be preoccupied with other threats. Nothing of real significance other than Loki and the Chitauri has transpired.
Black Panther only cares about Wakanda. No threat has reached them...yet. Hopefully in AOU Ultron goes for vibranium in Wakanda which will bring in BP.
NovaCorpsFan
NovaCorpsFan - 8/17/2014, 5:21 AM
Maybe Strange had just gone missing? He hadn't been heard from in years so HYDRA considers him a threat.
Snotzo
Snotzo - 8/17/2014, 5:28 AM
This is some flimsy "evidence". Dr. Strange is a prodigy. His potential alone makes him a threat and that is something the Zola algorithm would identify. The algorithm detected thousands I doubt they all had super powers.
EhMaybeSays
EhMaybeSays - 8/17/2014, 5:33 AM
This makes no sense. Firstly the Zola algorithm predicts the future. Secondly, Cap was released after IM and Hulk but was an origin story, the movies don't need to occur in chronological order.
Starkasm
Starkasm - 8/17/2014, 5:42 AM
@TheDudeRusty

Yeah...he also "woke up" after the events of Thor.
I get your point, but this is just a possibility. If that quote has any substance, we may have had something to back it up.
Abary
Abary - 8/17/2014, 6:27 AM
I see the movie flashing back to his origins Man Of Steel and Watchmen-style. That may actually work really well for a character such as Doctor Strange.
Maven
Maven - 8/17/2014, 6:43 AM
@TheAbraryMan369

I think Ant-Man will contain the Watchmen-style flashbacks. Strange should be along the lines of TIH (but throughout the entire film).
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 8/17/2014, 6:54 AM
Ant-Man is set in the past. Just because they mentioned Dr. Strange in Cap2 doesn't mean his movie won't rake place in the past and show his origin.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 8/17/2014, 6:57 AM
Also, I'm a little tired of origin films, however, i feel like Dr Strange kind of needs one since he's pretty much an unknown character with the general audience.
SageMode
SageMode - 8/17/2014, 7:19 AM
Feige and Derrickson already stated that DOC STRANGE is gonna be an origin film. So there's that.
NitPicker
NitPicker - 8/17/2014, 10:19 AM
I don't know if that interrogation scene is proof of anything. The algorithm is supposed to be used to determine who could possibly become a threat to HYDRA in the future.

The way Jasper speaks during that interrogation is just random. Jasper mentions that the algorithm predicted that Steve Rogers and Bruce Banner could become a problem for HYDRA, which was pretty obvious. This is to show that the algorithm works. Then Jasper mentions the names Stephen Strange, John Doe, Joe Blow and mentions a high school student in Wyoming and a nurse in Nebraska. This is to show how thorough the algorithm is. Being mentioned by Jasper doesn't necessarily mean that Stephen Strange or any of them have done anything to make HYDRA target them. It just means that they have been identified as potential threats and HYDRA wants to deal with them before they become actual threats. HYDRA wouldn't even know that any of those people existed if it weren't for the algorithm. That's the whole purpose of the algorithm.

And that's the whole purpose of the movie. Think back to the conversation that Steve Rogers and Nick Fury were having where Steve says "I thought the punishment usually came after the crime". Then think back to the part where the helicarriers are locking on to their targets and you see some dude playing Frisbee with his dog. And you see a woman walking with a baby in a baby carriage. You don't see people fighting demons and ghosts. You see people living normal lives and there's no reason to think Dr. Strange isn't living a normal life at that time also.
homodrome
homodrome - 8/17/2014, 11:49 AM
It's supposed to start "in medias res" meaning in the middle of the story.

That is exactly how Thor started and it was still an origin story. I think that it won't be a standard linear narrative for the origin story, but they HAVE to do some kind of origin for the viewer. Not spelling everything out but explaining certain beats.

I've always pictured the film to have a similar vibe to the scenes in Asia from Batman Begins.
MrBlackJack
MrBlackJack - 8/17/2014, 12:34 PM
Faraci...
batz11
batz11 - 8/17/2014, 12:35 PM
Of all the characters who'd need some introduction, think it's Strange...I'm sure it will be flashbacks or something if not straight up linear origin...
TucksFrom2015
TucksFrom2015 - 8/17/2014, 1:56 PM
his origin story won't be the plot of the whole movie
doesn't mean the Doctor Strange origin won't be in the movie per se
TucksFrom2015
TucksFrom2015 - 8/17/2014, 2:05 PM
I really like the idea of Strange being a professional mystic consultant to federal authorities, fighting occultists and Loki-fanatics who are trying to open portals inside derelict NYC buildings. perfect in medias res entry point to the story where an origin would just weigh down its plot.
AquamanIsTheBest
AquamanIsTheBest - 8/17/2014, 4:33 PM
If strange was just a doctor during TWS then how/why the hell would Sitwell know that name off the top of his head and why would he say it like everyone should know him?
Pasto
Pasto - 8/17/2014, 6:11 PM
ruadh
ruadh - 8/17/2014, 7:08 PM
"why would he say it like everyone should know him?"

Because a bunch of people in the audience DO know him.
Starkasm
Starkasm - 8/17/2014, 7:16 PM
Sigh....
ScottMontgomery
ScottMontgomery - 8/17/2014, 8:22 PM
It would be cool if they did Doctor Strange's origins in the credits, like they did for Hulk in The Incredible Hulk. I don't really care if it is a Origin story or not, I'm just happy we are getting a Doctor Strange movie
NitPicker
NitPicker - 8/17/2014, 11:05 PM

@AquamanIsTheBest

Captain America, Black Widow and The Falcon probably don't know who Stephen Strange is. When Sitwell says his name, the first thing that pops into their heads is "Who the hell is Stephen Strange?". But before they can ask that question, Sitwell answers it by explaining what the algorithm does. Sitwell mentions Stephen Strange and another name BECAUSE nobody knows who they are. What Sitwell is saying is that Hydra isn't just going after SHIELD agents and The Avengers, but they are also going after neurosurgeons, high school students and anybody else that the algorithm predicts could be a threat.

The algorithm uses a person's behavior to predict their future. Maybe Sitwell remembers Strange's name because it showed up in the algorithm more often than other names. Maybe Strange got the highest score on his SAT. Maybe he started an "Anti-Tesseract based weapons" club in college. Maybe he voted for Obama in both terms. Maybe he wrote about how much of a dick the Red Skull is in his master's thesis. The movie doesn't tell you why Sitwell remember's Strange's name. It could be because of the reasons I mentioned or it could be because they saw him fighting demons. The movie doesn't tell you. The only thing the interrogation scene proves is that Stephen Strange exists in the MCU and the algorithm predicts that he could be a threat to Hydra a some point. That's all.
TAL0IV
TAL0IV - 8/17/2014, 11:50 PM
Let me put it this way.

Dr.Strange is something Kevin Feige is very passionate about..he's been talking about it for years right? When you're that passionate about something, you don't just start in the middle of the lifespan of Strange where he's already a Sorcerer with no Origin explanations.

Here's my theory.
1) They already have a script written..that's fact.
2) Someone else is writing another script for the movie without touching the other.
Has anyone ever thought that MAYBE..just MAYBE..Marvel will look over both scripts, and add elements of BOTH into one script?

Just because he isn't touching the original doesn't mean you can't combine elements of the two in the end.

Dr.Strange needs explanation, not everyone knows who he is.

Also just because Jasper Sitwell mentions his name doesn't mean he's already established as the sorcerer supreme, Zola's algorithm is specifically made to predict someone's future based on their past..it doesn't just have to be superheroes, just threats to Hydra..they did target a person in a park playing fetch with their dog remember?

My guess is, by the time winter soldier takes place, strange will already have his accident, and is searching for help..this could easily be a flashback scene in a movie..it doesn't have to be drawn out for half the movie..it could instantly start with him in another country searching, with quick flashbacks.
DatNerdyKid
DatNerdyKid - 8/18/2014, 1:15 AM
Let's wind the clocks back...six years. And a few months.

Think back to the post credits scene for 'Iron Man', and what Sammy L. Jackson had to say to Stark-"You think you're the only superhero in the world?". Let's think on that for a moment. Now at this point in time, the only 'superhero' I can think of that would have existed is Captain America-Hulk is a fugitive and a monster and the world doesn't know about Thor-HOWEVER, since it's highly likely he would be thought long dead at this time, he isn't really an option. Widow and Hawkeye don't count in this either. So who else could Fury be referring to?

I'm going to assume Hank Pym doesn't count because a) his attitude towards superheroes as evidenced by the Comic-Con footage and b) if Pym was a FORMER superhero, well again similarly to Cap he wouldn't really count. It's safe to assume the world has no idea who the Inhumans or Black Panther are either. The only possible explanation, in my mind, is Strange, and this is how I've always seen it. Sure we'd all like to see the very 'Batman Begins'-ish trek to Tibet and his training with the Ancient One, but we can tell the origin in flashback.

Maybe Doctor Strange was a superhero. One the general population (outside of SHIELD) don't really know about, but one nonetheless. And maybe, at the present time, he's in some kind of self-imposed retirement, and Project: INSIGHT found him. Maybe it's because a very close, almost brother-like friend fell to black magic (i.e. Baron Mordo), or maybe it's because his great love was lost to the Dark Dimension (i.e. Clea). For whatever reason, he's cut himself off from the world and its troubles, and the film is about finding a way to bring him BACK into things.
DatNerdyKid
DatNerdyKid - 8/18/2014, 9:34 AM
@GliderMan I have too much time on my hands. I can afford to :P
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