FANTASTIC 4 and Others: Why We've Failed As An Audience (*GASP!?*)

FANTASTIC 4 and Others: Why We've Failed As An Audience (*GASP!?*)

There are a few things I think we need to remember if were going to continue to "enjoy" these movies.

Editorial Opinion
By Brenttoo - Aug 12, 2015 01:08 PM EST
Filed Under: Fantastic Four
I’ll admit the first thing I do when I see a thin blanket repsonse to a massive public offense is roll my eyes. A kid gets caught drinking, so suddenly we have a national underage drinking problem. A white guy kills a bunch of black people, so “obviously” banning a flag will soften the grief. So I’m already guilty. Now, clearly I wouldn’t begin to compare a national tragedy or political issue to the topic of film review in seriousness. But in logic, absolutely. Because there’s a catastrophic double standard deepening its hold in the scope of the modern film industry, specifically the steadily growing genre of comic book movies which just celebrated its fifteenth birthday (if you count X-men as the official start, which I do, but that could certainly be debated). There is a troubling and growing logical fallacy that attacks all modern cinema, but I’m out fighting today soley for my little CBM buddies, who are honest juggernauts at the box office these days. And therein lies the essence of their vulnerability. 
There are a dozen angles from which I could approach this subject, but for the sake of brevity and your interest, I’ll just dive in with anger. My anger. Specifically my anger regarding the highly public, highly tragic case of the recently released bastard child that was Fox’s Fantastic Four. Now before you drop your pants and prepare to agree with me or disagree with me, save it. My opinion of the film will remain absent from this editorial, as it is irrelevant. As is yours. As is everybody’s. I’m sure my words will invoke an uprising of defense for the freedom of speech by people who have entirely missed my point and just hear me telling them to shut up. Not my purpose in the slightest. 
Again, for brevity’s sake, I will omit the background of this film’s reputation and level of financial success and assume that if you’re reading this, you’re somewhat aware. To say the least, it was received with a mix of reactions. And while I’ve absolutely felt frustration at similar film releases in the past, this particular case finally pushed me to this point where I believe my... warning should be heard. I could speculate on the very real possibility that, to misquote director Josh Trank, “there is a version of this film” that would have been largely better received had it not been counted out from the start, but I think even than strays too close to what could be construed as my opinion. So I’ll stick to the warning. And that is this: our hands are at the steering wheel when it comes to these films. We behave as though we are unaware of this. And we are mindlessly ricocheting back and forth off of the guard rails. I have read some of the most shameful, mindless, blind red anger from people’s heads in regards to this film. Whenever a film picks up momentum in the negative direction that this one did, it doesn’t take long before it becomes acceptable to refer to it as PERSONAL offense. Creative language normally found suitable for shaming a company that slaughters animals or a government that ignores its citizens is invoked to describe their satisfaction with what Daredevil’s suit looked like. On one hand, its free speech, yes. One’s freedom to express opinion. But on the other hand it begins to generate another reality; an insane reality where these films honestly feel as though they amount to the massive weight of expectation and responsibility we lay upon them. And the sad truth that we need to be reminded off far too often is that these films are and always have been intended for one thing: to entertain us for two hours. A film did not “ruin your life”. It did not “suck balls”. It was not “an abomination”. If you honestly feel the need to dramatize your dissatisfaction with a film so severely that you need to compare it to being raped, then your grasp on reality no longer affords you the privilege to see them. And this message goes out to everyone equally, from the innumerable ‘fans’ at their keyboards to ‘professional’ movie critics who daily attempt to apparently ruin their own careers by ending the industry that supports it. But thats another issue, entirely. My point is that we are what we are. The audience. The studios, the writers, the directors; they make the movies that they want to make, but only because we want to see them. Its an important distinction. Its a fact in which Marvel Studios has managed to generate a self-sustaining loop. People salivate over MCU films because MCU makes them a certain way because people salivate over MCU films, etc. I will say I agree with those who have speculated that had Marvel Studios produced the Fantastic Four film that was just released, it would have been met with far more positive response. Not an overjoyed reaction, but a far more positive one, simply by association. And thats not fair. We don’t get to do that. We treat films like entrees on a menu. We order a Fantastic Four movie, and if it comes a little overdone, we throw it back at the waitress and demand a free replacement. Its childish, its unnecessary, and its destructive. Its a daring concept, but I believe we have invented a new form of cyber-bullying. Yes, we the critics are bullying the movie-makers. And while conventional logic wouldn’t garnish much pity for the colossal corporate studios looking down at our unwashed masses, the truth is, as I said before, we are at the wheel. They make what they make because they think we want to see it. Thats how they make money; by pleasing us. And when the slightest infraction summons a public hatred as potent as the one thats just not beginning to recede with this film, the relationship between movie and movie-goer is sick. 
 
If you take anything from my words, let it be this; a fact I accepted a long time ago that has vastly improved my movie-going experiences. And its a big one that I don’t expect many people to swallow. A movie cannot be “good” or “bad”. It can be near or far from what it was intended to be. It can feel strong or weak in story cohesion or acting. It can feel well-balanced or poorly-constructed with special effects or pacing. But it is not a “Pass/Fail” class. And the belief that it is robs the general public of the simple joy of just seeing a movie. More often than anything, I read people judge a movie as good or bad based solely on whether it was what they went in expecting to see. I am happy to remind you that it was not YOUR $150 million that was invested in the film. You made the choice to invest $10, mostly likely thanks to your perception of the public interest in it. And therein lies the power. And as my fellow CBM aficionados will attest, we all know what comes with great power...
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WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 8/12/2015, 1:41 PM
Not gonna lie. I tried reading this. Made it half way through. It's too hard to read on my phone. Could you at least break up the paragraphs a little? Space them out better. If I look up from my phone, then back down, it shouldn't be so hard to find my place again.

Nahmsayin?
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 8/12/2015, 2:03 PM
K.........






This article ruined my childhood...
Its...its..an Abomination...
I feel....raped.....
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 8/12/2015, 2:10 PM
Just kidding man. While it was a struggle I was determined to get through it. And I can see what your trying to say. Just keep in mind.....this is your own opinion. Your OWN reality. All of this could simply never be proven as fact. It's just how YOU feel. Hey I'm sure there's others that feel the same too. Just keep in mind, how small a fraction of the human population we fans really are. I may agree with some of the stuff your stating. Disagree with other parts. There's no point in telling you what parts. Cause I'm nobody to you. So why should you care? I'm sure the studios feel similar feelings in regards to the responses you mentioned in your article.
TheManFromMars
TheManFromMars - 8/12/2015, 2:32 PM
Holy wall of text, Batman!
DerekLake
DerekLake - 8/12/2015, 3:36 PM
Paragraph breaks are your friend.

@Brenttoo An excellent nonpartisan reality check. We too often forget that these films really shouldn't have that much of an influence on our lives. If they do, then our mental, emotional, and social lives are quite sickly.

Another reality check that you bring up is that the "fans" don't own these properties, characters or stories. So as much as we might dislike their live-action adaptations, these studios are not accountable to voluntary and self-appointed fans. They are not even accountable to the "general audience." If a studio produces a film that is not well-received by the majority of the public, it is nothing more than ill-conceived. And with all due respect @DrDoom, no studio forced anything on the "fans." These studios are not government departments providing public services to fans. They are profit-seeking entities who hire directors to produce their own vision of a property that they think audiences will like. If they are mistaken, then they simply judged poorly. They did not wrong anyone by the product they put out, except the entities who invested actual money into production.
SummersClan
SummersClan - 8/12/2015, 4:33 PM
From Latest THR article detailing the behind the scenes problems.

A crew member acknowledges that Trank bears much of the fault for the film’s problems but also says the Fox studio should not escape blame. The movie was “ill-conceived, made for the wrong reasons and there was no vision behind the property,” this person says. “Say what you will about Marvel but they have a vision.”
MrCBM56
MrCBM56 - 8/12/2015, 5:51 PM
Everything @DrDoom said.
MrCBM56
MrCBM56 - 8/12/2015, 5:51 PM
^And I say that as someone who not only defended the movie to my last breath, but looked forward to it! Fan4stic is [frick]ing shit.
Brenttoo
Brenttoo - 8/12/2015, 6:19 PM
First off, sorry about the block of text. This all sort of poured out as one sequential series of thoughts, but I should have broken it up more.

Secondly, I certainly never intended to imply that anybody was "wrong" or "right" for either disliking this movie or feeling that it failed. But to so easily accept that this movie is crap is either to accept that they (Trank/Fox) KNEW and didn't care (which seems unlikely, as that would yield little reward) or more likely, that they believed their vision, no matter how unorthodox, or subsequently how poorly executed, would at least stand a chance of being recognized as just one of many possible directions for this property.

Because this movie failed to please so many does not necessarily disprove that we are largely in control; it simply shows that they failed to correctly interpret what we "said" we wanted. There is little chance that there's a version of history where they clearly understood what we wanted and deliberately ignored it as that, again, would yield few rewards.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 8/12/2015, 7:21 PM
Yeah but the problem is, there's so much proof already, that Fox wasn't interested in making this film as good as it could have been. And that Trank was collaborating with the studio to put out a good product. It was simply rushed to keep the rights. That's easy to see with everything that's come to light. Fox fudged it. Even if it's Tranks fault for the film itself, Fox still hired him.

Marvel and DC have proved that listening to the fans can have a payoff. We are like a sample audience. If they hear a lot of positive buzz from us, then they know they can easily sell something to the general audience. But a lot of negative buzz from us, and it's a harder sell. Even though we are such a small percentage of the viewership, the general audience listens to us. Cause they know we understand the characters. Critics dont. Well Most of them dont.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 8/12/2015, 7:23 PM
And I'm NOT saying that everything is Tranks fault. At least not till we know all the truth. But no matter what happened, the studio is responsible for the film that's in the theaters.
Lhornbk
Lhornbk - 8/12/2015, 11:44 PM
One thing I agree with 100% is that any fanboy who uses the word "rape" to describe what writers did to a character or story or what a movie did to your childhood and so on is frankly too ignorant to have any right to have his opinion listened to. There is a difference between the right to freedom of speech and the right to have your speech listened to and respected. "Rape" is a very specific, very horrific act, and nothing that a writer or director or producer could do to a story or character or movie can ever come close to equaling the act of "rape."

But, yes someone going to see a movie can make s judgement as to whether it is good or bad, and I have no problem with the word "abomination" being used. It is not just a matter of expectations. I expected to be disappointed with Fantastic 4, so by your logic, since my expectations were met, I should have come out of the theater happy. I wasn't that happy. It was bad in my opinion (and for movies, that is all anyone has, their opinion. There is no objective way to measure the quality of a movie. There have been Oscar winning movies that I personally thought were terrible.) Now, it wasn't the worst cbm ever, that for me is still a tie between Superman IV and Ang Lee's Hulk. In fact, it may not even be one of the ten worst cbms ever (I'll have to think about it. I can think of at least 5 cbms real quick that are worse, including the F4 sequel with Silver Surfer.) But it's still bad. Ang Lee's Hulk was horrible. When it takes me 4-5 attempts to actually make it all the way through a film, I think I am justified in saying it is bad. (And I will never again subject myself to watching it. Lol)
Pedrito
Pedrito - 8/13/2015, 5:19 AM
I like how you start with some metaphors and then proceed to chastise people who use metaphors to describe how they feel about a movie. Haha.

When Marvel butchers a movie, it gets "mixed reviews". This movie was universally, unanimously panned.
Baka
Baka - 8/13/2015, 5:28 AM
k
Brenttoo
Brenttoo - 8/13/2015, 7:23 AM
@Pedrito
I never meant to sound as though I was chastising anyone for simply using metaphors. I thought I was clear in explaining I just find it extremely unnecessary for some of the over-dramatic metaphors that people choose to describe a film experience.

@IronRuhail
Could you PLEASE let someone else get a word in?!
McGee
McGee - 8/13/2015, 8:28 AM
Don't listen to Wyleejay. He always complains about feeling raped when he spends the weekend at my place.
McGee
McGee - 8/13/2015, 8:28 AM
He can't prove anything though.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 8/13/2015, 9:30 AM
@McGee. LMAO! Asshat!
Emblemmaniac
Emblemmaniac - 8/13/2015, 2:51 PM
Paragraphs do you know them?
Emblemmaniac
Emblemmaniac - 8/13/2015, 2:52 PM
Other then that. Good job
TomSolo
TomSolo - 8/14/2015, 12:47 AM
I enjoyed this article. Agreed with a lot of it... disagreed with a bit, but one fact we can all take from this:

If the fans, public and critics continue to so publicly write off movies way before they are released, it's going keep quality talent away from future films.
Baka
Baka - 8/14/2015, 2:33 AM
@Brenttoo
lol what im not preventing anyone from sharing their thoughts and feelings
Superheromoviefan
Superheromoviefan - 8/14/2015, 9:24 AM
So, we should be happy with what we got? Sounds like a loser trying to defend his failure.
Brenttoo
Brenttoo - 8/14/2015, 5:01 PM
@MrSuperheromoviefan

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm, no..... I wouldn't say that we should be happy with whatever we get. While I don't see the benefit of reducing a movie to 'good or bad', I quite often step away from a movie wishing that things had been done differently. I know its tricky. You're supposed to get personally invested, but then you leave open the potential for disappointment.

Thanks to everybody who took the time to read this and really think about it.
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