Awful Fan Films And An Obsession With Marriage: What's Going On With SPIDER-MAN Fans?

Awful Fan Films And An Obsession With Marriage: What's Going On With SPIDER-MAN Fans?

Spider-Man is one of the most iconic comic book characters ever created but the wall-crawler's fanbase has become increasingly divided. That'd led us to wonder what's going on, so here's our take...

Editorial Opinion
By JoshWilding - Aug 25, 2023 12:08 PM EST
Filed Under: Spider-Man

Many of you will have noticed that ComicBookMovie.com's writers use "we" in our articles as a means of speaking to you on behalf of the website (plus, we're not a blog or whatever Elon Musk is calling Twitter this week). However, for this next paragraph, "we" is about to become "I."

I have been a Spider-Man fan longer than I can remember. From growing up watching Spider-Man: The Animated Series in the mid-1990s to suffering through the tail end of Howard Mackie's Amazing Spider-Man run and being left in awe while watching Spider-Man in theaters as a wide-eyed 11-year-old, the character defined my childhood. Peter Parker has followed me into adulthood as well (he even got a mention in my wedding vows) and, to me, there's not a better character in all of fiction. So, with all that in mind, I feel like I can ask, what the f*** has happened to Spider-Man fans? 

Now, we're (back to that) not lumping everyone into that question, but the web-slinger's fanbase has become increasingly toxic in recent years. For proof of that, look no further than Zeb Wells' current Amazing Spider-Man series. While by no means perfect, the fact Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson aren't an item has created a borderline fanatical hatred of anything and everything that occurs in the title...even when it's been pretty damned great at times! 

A quick look on the r/SpiderMan Subreddit reveals post after post demanding Marvel Comics reinstate Peter and MJ's marriage, despite them having been apart almost as long as they were married. Yes, "One More Day" remains a disaster of a story and it would be no bad thing to see the web-slinger become a husband (and father) again. The character has been treading water for a while now and needs to transition from his 20s to 30s, ditching what's become an often unlikeable persona as a "loveable loser" who can't hold down a job or pay his rent on time.

However, was the end of Peter and MJ's marriage any worse than a certain writer vicariously living out his own fantasies through the Superior Spider-Man or even the upset and anger Gwen Stacy's death caused decades ago? Instead of wanting this character to move forward, there are many people who want to see him take a step back, returning to an all-too-familiar status quo. We're not saying either opinion is necessarily right or wrong, but this belief Spider-Man should be portrayed in a certain way is what's fuelling the "fans" unable to accept anything that differs from it. 

It's not just on the page the tide seems to have turned. While Marvel Studios' decision to have the MCU's Peter Parker embrace technology as Iron Man's mentee remains divisive, there's a narrative now that Spider-Man: Homecoming, Spider-Man: Far From Home, and Spider-Man: No Way Home were all terrible movies. Again, this isn't everyone, but it seems the joy accompanying Sony Pictures' decision to let Kevin Feige take charge of the web-spinner has been all too easily forgotten, with some demanding The Amazing Spider-Man 3 be released in place of Spider-Man 4 (it's like The Amazing Spider-Man 2 and the myriad of dumb plans Sony had at the time never happened). 

The idea Marvel Studios doesn't know what it's doing played a big role in the creation of Spider-Man: Lotus, a fan film with a six-figure budget we later learned was being helmed by a racist, sexist director alongside a racist and homophobic lead star. These fans set out to make the movie under the belief only they knew what was best for the character. The result was a film that's not only horrendously acted but a demented interpretation of what Spider-Man "should" and "deserves" to be (from a ludicrous comic-accurate Green Goblin to a predictable take on "The Kid Who Collects Spider-Man"). It's a project made out of spite, not love, with Far From Home the focal point for that rage. Why? Because MJ isn't a buxom redhead?

The fact is, we all have our own ideas of how best to portray our favourite comic book heroes and villains on screen but it's starting to feel like Spidey is becoming embroiled in yet another toxic fandom. Honestly, it feels like no one hates Spider-Man more than the people who supposedly love him. 

Perhaps we can blame it on what appears to be a desperation for Spider-Man to return to his glory days. On the other hand, maybe the internet has just given people like the creators of Spider-Man: Lotus a platform they shouldn't have. Either way, it's sad to see such a high level of divisiveness surround such an inspirational character and we're already bracing ourselves for the inevitable backlash that will follow Spider-Man 2's new interpretation of Peter and the Venom Symbiote. 

Maybe you'd like to see Peter and MJ married again and perhaps you feel the MCU's Spider-Man movies will never touch the greatness delivered by Sam Raimi. There will be opinions expressed here you may strongly disagree with, and that's fine! However, this Spider-Man fan just hopes we can all remember that, beyond any creative decision made by comic books or on the big screen, Peter is a character who should bring fans together, not divide them. Let's not allow him to head the way of Star Wars and the DCEU, two fanbases whose respective members are constantly at war with each other! 

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TheFinestSmack
TheFinestSmack - 8/25/2023, 12:10 PM
Neat
bl0odwerk
bl0odwerk - 8/25/2023, 12:14 PM
I'm not a Spider-Man fan, but I am (or rather, was) a HUGE fan of the X-Men. Thus, I think I can provide some clarity. Many Spider-Man fans have been fans even longer than you have, which spans a few decades. MJ is just as much a part of Peter Parker's life as Aunt May and Uncle Ben, and has been for almost the entirety of the title itself. Now, I can tell you that I don't like ANY of the changes that have been made to the X-Men over the last few decades, more or less ever since Chris Claremont left the book(s). Newer fans might like them, but I don't... and I don't know anyone else who has been a fan for as long as I have that does, either. Fans of these books, these characters, are tired of today's writers making drastic changes. Spider-man fans, specifically, have been fed up since One More Day... and Marvel has yet to do anything to fix it. Everyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I am...
OmegaBlack13
OmegaBlack13 - 8/25/2023, 3:08 PM
@bl0odwerk - But didn’t Len Wein make some drastic changes when he completely changed the team except Cyclops then Claremont just changed the tone of the whole book? Cape comics are long form soap operas, and with no real “end” to any of these stories in sight, constant change is necessary. While I’d prefer that more characters just get retired to make way for newer ones, barring that we’re just left with constant status quo switch ups (that will probably get reversed).
HistoryofMatt
HistoryofMatt - 8/25/2023, 12:16 PM
Yes Josh, it's Spider-Man "fans" who are toxic.

Not the awful, Woke writers who have absolutely destroyed the character and everything that made him great over the last 15 years.

No, THEY'RE not "toxic." It's the fans.

Keep blaming the fans for the awful decisions of the creatives. That always works.
AC1
AC1 - 8/25/2023, 1:05 PM
@HistoryofMatt - I don't think you're using "woke" right
braunermegda
braunermegda - 8/25/2023, 1:24 PM
@AC1 - no one is
HammerLegFoot
HammerLegFoot - 8/25/2023, 1:25 PM
@braunermegda - I was thinking that same thing
GhostDog
GhostDog - 8/25/2023, 1:56 PM
@AC1 - the definition has been twisted
Fares
Fares - 8/25/2023, 12:19 PM
If I ever start taking entertainment so seriously to the point that it either starts negatively impacting my life or it makes me aggressive towards people I don't personally know, shoot me.
Usernametaken
Usernametaken - 8/25/2023, 12:46 PM
@Fares - I take that you're not a Star Wars fans then
Fares
Fares - 8/25/2023, 1:00 PM
@Usernametaken - Oh no I like when laser swords go vrrmmmmmm, but I try to keep it at just that.
Fogs
Fogs - 8/25/2023, 1:38 PM
@Fares - bravo
Usernametaken
Usernametaken - 8/25/2023, 1:55 PM
@Fares - I also like it when they vrrrrrmmmm and the music goes ooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh
Ojeet78
Ojeet78 - 8/25/2023, 12:21 PM
Your headlines are mean spirited and have been adding to the toxicity on this site. I dont like to get into fights and am not aware of the fan films but as an avid comic book reader, what I have surmised is that most of us want the redundancy for Peter to stop. Spiderverse with its portrayal of Peter has shown that the character can grow. It doesn't make sense for his arc to not progress in the comics, especially when you have more than capable characters like Miles Morales to pick up that mantle. Hurting the character constantly and not changing the status quo not only reeks of bad writing but also a deep disregard for long time readers.
MclovinLife
MclovinLife - 8/25/2023, 1:04 PM
@Ojeet78 - my man
MG0019
MG0019 - 8/25/2023, 1:24 PM
@Ojeet78 - The strikes have them grasping for clicks. Ragebait article titles are their only resource now. I’m not helping by typing this.
Asterisk
Asterisk - 8/25/2023, 1:32 PM
@Ojeet78 - this guy gets it
Fogs
Fogs - 8/25/2023, 1:40 PM
@Ojeet78 - totally agreed. Key point there is character growth. They have fear it might affect sales. Simple as that.
Toonstrack
Toonstrack - 8/25/2023, 4:18 PM
@Ojeet78 - how did spider verse show you he can grow?

Hes a friggin goofall snd totally unimportant to the story in the second movie. They gave him a kid, nd its a nice little vignette but thats it. Its not a story
Ojeet78
Ojeet78 - 8/25/2023, 5:25 PM
@Toonstrack -It isn't his story but it's pretty damn evident what his impact has been. Miles has grown under his tutelage and is now charting his own path. Similarly Peter has learned from Miles and has gone on to take on more adult responsibilities . That is all the comic book fans want as well. How long is Peter going to be the same man child with money issues.
Toonstrack
Toonstrack - 8/25/2023, 5:31 PM
@Ojeet78 - Peter and Miles hadn't seen each other since the last film. Miles had been learning on his own since then.

Peter was inspired by miles to have a kid, but that was literally it. Hes the same character as before but he has a kid who he drags everywhere. Its just Peter but with a kid now.

Thats not a sustainable story for comics. Writing kids well is almost impossible. Besides dan slott made him rich a few years ago and folks whined still.
Ojeet78
Ojeet78 - 8/25/2023, 7:04 PM
@Toonstrack - if writing kids is tough why be a writer then? It could open up newer stories just like it did with Damien and Jon. It could pose it's own challenge instead of the same old tropes.
Toonstrack
Toonstrack - 8/27/2023, 8:58 PM
@Ojeet78 - Damien just rode off the same tropes the other Robin's did and they skipped the actual raising of him so he's already a badass.
Ojeet78
Ojeet78 - 8/28/2023, 12:18 PM
@Toonstrack - Did you even read Morrison's Batman and Robin/Batman Inc. run or Tomasi's work on Supersons.
Toonstrack
Toonstrack - 8/28/2023, 1:25 PM
@Ojeet78 - i did read super sons. My point is they introduced him in a way where he was already an established fighter and everything. They skipped over the hard part of writing kids. The dudes already a mini batman when introduced
Ojeet78
Ojeet78 - 8/28/2023, 9:25 PM
@Toonstrack - so you havent read Morrison's run then. I'd recommend reading that, the entire run from RIP to The first 25 issues of Batman and Robin. You might enjoy it, it's well written.
Ojeet78
Ojeet78 - 8/28/2023, 9:29 PM
@Ojeet78 - Supersons is simply a continuation of that. I'd recommend reading all that so that with additional context your opinion isn't so limited.
MisterMac
MisterMac - 8/25/2023, 12:21 PM
There is nothing "pretty damned great" about the Zeb Wells run. This is probably your worst article ever. Take a vacation til the strike ends instead of churning out this crap
dracula
dracula - 8/25/2023, 12:21 PM
On the marriage thing, people like to see characters develop

People hated when MJ and Peter were broken up by a deal with the devil

People hated when superman and lois were broken up by the new 52

People hated when tom king straight up bate and switched on Batman and Catwoman getting married


People still want the marriage to be restored. Amazing Spiderman Renew Your Vows was a great taste of that (before the time jump)

People loved when they brought pre flashpoint superman and lois back and gave then a kid

People were excited qbout the idea of an earth prime helena wayne

How long can those relationships just stay will they wont they
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 8/25/2023, 12:29 PM
@dracula - Comics never progressing can't be good for the audience, psychologically speaking.

I'm just out here waiting for Tom King's Batman/Catwoman to be made canon. No-one's mentioned the secret marriage yet, but no-one's contradicted it either.
Okay so they're not seeing each other and Catwoman was [frick]ing some other dude for a second, but tehn she killed him to save Batman.
Tbh, that sounds more like a realistic Batman/Catwoman marriage than them moving in together and playing house.
WiscoKid
WiscoKid - 8/25/2023, 12:33 PM
@dracula - My friends and I were teenagers when MJ & Peter got married. We thought it was pretty cool because it showed the character was developing and aging. This constant "rebooting" and trying to go back to the status quo from the 60s just disinterests me.
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