SPIDER-MAN: Some Big Changes Are Supposedly Being Made To Marvel Studios' Deal With Sony Pictures

SPIDER-MAN: Some Big Changes Are Supposedly Being Made To Marvel Studios' Deal With Sony Pictures

According to a new rumour, some more changes have been made to the agreement between Disney/Marvel Studios and Sony Pictures, this time pertaining to how exactly villains are used across both franchises.

By JoshWilding - Sep 23, 2024 03:09 PM EST
Filed Under: Spider-Man

The Amazing Spider-Man wasn't the runaway hit Sony Pictures hoped for, but it was successful enough to spawn a sequel and then a slate of projects which included third and fourth Spider-Man movies along with Sinister Six and a possible Venom spin-off.

The Amazing Spider-Man 2 wasn't cheap to make and after it was deemed a critical and commercial disappointment, Sony decided - amid pressure from fans following leaked "Sony Hack" emails - to partner with Marvel Studios. 

Andrew Garfield was out and Tom Holland was in, with the MCU's new Peter Parker making his debut in Captain America: Civil War. Spider-Man: Homecoming followed, as did appearances in Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers: Endgame. However, during Spider-Man: Far From Home's production, Disney and Sony reached an impasse on money.

A new deal couldn't be reached and, not only did it mean Spidey would leave the MCU, but Kevin Feige's creative input was over (given what a mess Morbius' Multiversal elements were, we dread to think how Spider-Man: No Way Home was set to play out on Avi Arad's watch). 

Fan backlash - including from the Russo Brothers - helped turn the tide and, one conversation between Tom Holland and Disney CEO Bob Iger later, the deal was back on. However, post-No Way Home, it's undergone another evolution.

We recently shared news on plans for Spidey's expanded MCU role and now @TheGeekyCast - the first to bring word that we were getting a Thunderbolts* trailer today - has shared some additional details. 

Apparently, Sony will now start notifying Marvel Studios about which Spider-Man-related villains will be used in its non-MCU projects. Marvel will then be blocked from using that character until at least 30 days after the Sony movie is released on VOD. 

This means Kraven the Hunter could be brought into the MCU - presumably a new Variant rather than the one played by Aaron Taylor-Johnson, for example - providing Marvel Studios meets those requirements. 

Hopefully, this means more communication moving forward and greater freedom for Marvel Studios to utilise the villains it wants. They wanted Kraven in No Way Home but that upcoming origin story ruined those plans. 

Sony also has some rules to abide by; future Marvel movies produced by them will need to have budgets of at least $75 million and play in a minimum of 2000 U.S. theaters. If the deal has been restructured to this extent, it suggests the whole thing has been reconfigured in a way that's going to only benefit both the MCU and Sony's "Spider-Man Universe."

With any luck, it'll keep Spidey in the MCU for as long as possible, regardless of whatever Sony gets up to...

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TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 9/23/2024, 3:47 PM
Wait if true then they didn’t notify Marvel beforehand about not using characters they had plans for because isn’t that what happened with Kraven?.

Apparently ,Watts wanted to have him as the villain in the third Spidey MCU movie but Sony told them they couldn’t because of their own movie plans hence we got NWH.

I guess now they will have to tell them way before so they don’t even consider using that character.

Anyway we’ll see , I’m still hoping the Knull and Venom team up rumor for Spidey 4 is untrue please!!.
SATW42
SATW42 - 9/23/2024, 3:49 PM
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DocSpock
DocSpock - 9/23/2024, 5:25 PM
@SATW42 -

1) I hope you and your really cool phone will be very happy together.

2) Does she have a cool hot sister phone?
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 9/23/2024, 3:51 PM
MCU Spidey films ranking (favorite to least thus far).

1.Homecoming
2.NWH
3.FFH

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harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 9/23/2024, 3:51 PM
Disney is desperately scared, they saw the Kraven trailer and know they can't compete,
blitzburgh
blitzburgh - 9/23/2024, 10:29 PM
@harryba11zack - shut it twat
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 9/23/2024, 10:36 PM
@blitzburgh - if you don't watch Kraven then you're kraven.
NodrickStripson
NodrickStripson - 9/24/2024, 6:17 AM
@blitzburgh - this comment made my morning
ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 9/23/2024, 4:07 PM
Would just prefer if Sony just keeps whatever the hell they're doing inside the thing they call a connected universe. Otherwise we might get more random scenes like Morbius and Vulture.
SethBullock
SethBullock - 9/23/2024, 4:11 PM
MCU's Spider-Man 3 should have been a "Kraven hunts Spidey" movie, and they ruined that for a Kraven solo movie that looks terrible and will most probably bomb hard.

They made a lot of money with NWH anyway, but the writing on that movie was really bad and ruined the MCU Spider-Man, though they will keep making money with these movies anyway.
Shivermetimbers
Shivermetimbers - 9/23/2024, 5:28 PM
@SethBullock - Maybe this Kraven movie just sets Kraven up as the villian we've known all these years and now with this new deal, he will be free to hunt spiderman in a future spidey movie.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 9/23/2024, 8:47 PM
@SethBullock - it could've been cool to see Kraven on the trail of Vermin, and become intercepted by VENOM. Would've been a play that works in Sony rules.
99OPTIMISTPRIME
99OPTIMISTPRIME - 9/23/2024, 4:17 PM
These studios should NOT still be working together.🤣 Outside of maybe giving each other a heads up on Spider-Man projects, just to avoid or minimize too much redundancy. Sony should just be able to double dip. Make some profit off of what the MCU does with Spider-Man and his related characters, while doing whatever they want with their Sonyverse.
SuperSpiderMan5
SuperSpiderMan5 - 9/23/2024, 4:26 PM
Sony just needs to let it go. They suck and making Spidey movies.
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 9/23/2024, 4:36 PM
@SuperSpiderMan5 - nah, under sony we got the two best spiderman films, under disney you got 6 mid films about ironboy and the only reason the last one did so well was due to the sony characters coming back to save the third act.
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harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 9/23/2024, 4:40 PM
@harryba11zack - "3 films" SORRY cw, Iw, EG don't count as sp FILMS.
blitzburgh
blitzburgh - 9/23/2024, 10:30 PM
@harryba11zack - quit trolling and get a life douchebag
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 9/23/2024, 10:39 PM
@blitzburgh - sp1 and sp2 are better then SP H, SP FFH AND SP NWH. Thats isn't trolling, thats just a fact.
blitzburgh
blitzburgh - 9/23/2024, 10:50 PM
@harryba11zack - all the amazing shit was hot garbage
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 9/23/2024, 11:11 PM
@blitzburgh - i'm not defending the shit films, all i'm saying is sony gave US the best sp films.
TMW1987ProudProWrestlingFan
TMW1987ProudProWrestlingFan - 9/24/2024, 5:01 AM
@harryba11zack - Not a very good track record though even if they supposedly gave us the best 2 Spider-Man films ever. They still make bad decisions creatively or choices of character design/look.

Giving us Power Ranger Green Goblin when we saw what we could have potentially had & they nixed the idea because that look/design was 'too scary' for kids...... What, I'm sorry, get out of here with that as an excuse.

2 'great' Spider-Man movies still doesn't make up for;

Spider-Man 3
Ghost Rider
Ghost Rider: SoV
TASM
TASM 2
Venom
Venom: LTBC
Morbius
Madame Web

And no doubt they're about to butcher & ruin Kraven so that can be added to the list soon.

Piss poor track record for 11 films, soon to be 12.

Marvel Studios isn't perfect by any means, but boy does their record even when they miss still pisses over anything Sony wise & theirs.
RolandD
RolandD - 9/24/2024, 8:47 PM
@harryba11zack - Sony lost the mojo to make high quality Spider-Man movies a couple of decades ago, with the unusual exception of the Miles animated movies. I noticed you didn’t include Spider-Man 3 or those supposed Amazing movies.
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 9/24/2024, 8:58 PM
@RolandD -
"i'm not defending the shit films, all i'm saying is sony gave US the best sp films."
OrgasmicPotatoe
OrgasmicPotatoe - 9/23/2024, 5:11 PM
With how little a movie has to be 'good' in order for Sony to warrant sequels (see the Venom franchise), this seems like an easy way for Sony to keep their grip on whatever character they chose to mutilate, only for us to then have to wait until Marvel corrects course.

'Oh, did you think you could use Kraven after this first movie releases ? Not so fast Marvel, we've begun production on Kraven Too: Electric Boogaloo and RHINO: In Name Only. The Kravenverse is gonna be a HUGE hit !'

Whatever, so long as we get a Spidey/Daredevil team up against Kingpin movie
RitoRevolto
RitoRevolto - 9/23/2024, 5:48 PM
They're finally realizing there's little to no interest in their Sony verse movies, and know they can still make money if those villains show up later in the MCU to be, y'know, actual villains. It's about time.
Spoken
Spoken - 9/23/2024, 5:55 PM
"Marvel will then be blocked from using that character until at least 30 days after the Sony movie is released on VOD."

Lol, Marvel should be okay to use then in no time it seems
Floke
Floke - 9/24/2024, 11:45 AM
@Spoken - Yeah, so about 37 days after theatrical release then. We can wait, no big deal.
hainesy
hainesy - 9/23/2024, 6:09 PM
Sony doesn't deserve to make anything Spider-Man related after Madame Web.
TMW1987ProudProWrestlingFan
TMW1987ProudProWrestlingFan - 9/24/2024, 5:06 AM
@hainesy - They didn't deserve anything or any more chances after Spider-Man 3 but I digress.
JFerguson
JFerguson - 9/23/2024, 6:23 PM
I try to just appreciate that we even get to see a lot of these characters in live action to begin with, but why the [frick] is it sony's business on who gets to use a character at one time? Even Fox's pre-merger deal was more lenient and we got 2 quicksilvers pretty much concurrently.

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ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 9/23/2024, 6:29 PM
@JFerguson - That's because some characters are part of separate IPs, so Quicksilver was both X-Men and Avengers. Disney didn't need Fox's permission for that.

Similarly Kingpin is a part of both the Spider-Man and Daredevil IP so Disney don't need Sony's permission to use him either. They can use Kingpin as much as they want.

Sony hold all the chips.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 9/23/2024, 6:30 PM
Just write a check Disney, it'll be worth it. I'm not even talking about how easily you'll make the money back, I'm talking about how it's affecting the brand and how much money you stand to lose (and have already lost) if you let Sony continue.
TheFinestSmack
TheFinestSmack - 9/23/2024, 10:21 PM
Tomorrow MTTSH will report that the next Spiderman film will be playing in more than 2000 theaters.
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