James Gunn's Choices Of What To Reboot In DC Are Concerning And Confusing

James Gunn's Choices Of What To Reboot In DC Are Concerning And Confusing

Is James Gunn really keeping things from the DCEU cannon to the DCU that make financial and narrative sense, or are his motivations really something else?

Editorial Opinion
By ChandlerMcniel - Nov 16, 2024 06:11 PM EST
Filed Under: DC Studios

Back in 2018, James Gunn, the director of the Guardians of the Galaxy movies, was hired to write a soft reboot of the Suicide Squad movie titled, simply, The Suicide Squad. The film underperformed financially but jived well with critics and audiences. My feelings about the film can be summed up as such: meh. It was fine. In 2020, Gunn began work on Peacemaker, a spin off TV series, which was released in 2022. It also received solid reviews from critics and audiences, but I was not a fan, personally. There were elements to be enjoyed like some fast paced action, but the overall silliness was not for me.

Then, about eleven months later, in November of 2022, DC Studios and Warner Brothers hired Gunn and Peter Safran to oversee the entire DC universe of films. I thought Gunn was an interesting choice and was definitely willing to give him a chance.

The DCEU certainly needed some direction. It had that with Snyder, but not everyone was on board with his style and overall plan. Of course, excessive studio intervention didn’t help either. At first, when the new plan was announced, it was said that the DCEU would only be getting a soft reboot and the elements that simply weren’t working would be removed and replaced. It seemed like an intriguing plan especially when it was said that The Flash would provide an explanation for all this. Of course, it didn’t and made everything all the more confusing. Then, slowly, more and more actors, characters, and stories were chopped away until it was clear that the DCEU was being entirely rebooted.

Except for a select few characters that the studio, Gunn, and Safran agreed upon. There’s a probably not coincidental trend that is definitely concerning as a lifelong DC fan. 

So far, we know a few events and characters are canon to the DCU. The entirety of The Suicide Squad is apparently canon according to Frank Grillo, the Peacemaker series, Blue Beetle, and… that’s it. Notice a trend there? I sure do.

With the exception of Blue Beetle, everything that is canon to the DCU are Gunn’s projects. I do not understand why no one else is up in arms about this. It is insulting that Gunn is only choosing to keep the projects he worked on when there are other elements that fans already loved and worked well that could have stayed on. It seems as if Gal Gadot’s universally adored Wonder Woman is gone. Jason Momoa’s mostly loved Aquaman is out. The internet exploded when Henry Cavill announced he was back as Superman, but he’s out too. Wonder Woman and Aquaman both suffered from terrible sequels, and Superman definitely didn’t receive love from everyone, but I have a feeling Gunn would have kept them all if he worked on them. 

Again, as a lifelong fan, it’s insulting to have a big name like Gunn “reboot” a universe only to keep the elements of it he personally crafted, then hire himself to write a new Superman movie whose premise sounds exactly like the premise of Man of Steel (albeit with many, many more characters). I don’t see any other explainable reason to keep The Suicide Squad, Peacemaker and Blue Beetle cannon. Sure, they got decent reviews, but Warner Brothers is suffering financially and none of these three made money. Warner Brothers needs a coherent superhero universe to compete with Marvel, which is still making money even though it’s recent entries have been lackluster. I certainly wouldn’t call it coherent to keep three of the least watched pieces of the DCEU. Will it even be explained or will it just be straight up ignored? Did Bloodsport really shoot David Corenswet’s Superman with a kryptonite bullet off screen in a universe that wasn’t even conceived of when that scene was being written, filmed, or watched? I thought Corenswet’s Superman is going to be a rather inexperienced hero, but he was shot many years ago? If The Suicide Squad is canon, then Margot Robbie’s Harley Quinn is cannon, but there’s been nothing official about her specifically. How, then, will Joker be explained? Has Amanda Waller interacted with whoever this new version of Batman is going to be? 

To me, none of it can be explained logically in a movie, several movies, or series. Is James Gunn actually a narcissist? Is he personally going to film every DCU movie? Will the whole DC universe be shaped in over colorful, classic rock filled, Gunn-esque imagery? Is he the right man for the job or should the keys be handed over to Matt Reeves? Personally, I haven’t liked most of Gunn’s work, but there’s clearly an audience for it, and I am in the minority. Let me know what you think!

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DClover1984
DClover1984 - 11/15/2024, 5:59 PM
I love this article! It’s hard not to feel frustrated with the way the reboot is being handled. Keeping only James Gunn’s projects as canon does seem self-serving and leaves fans questioning the coherence of the new DCU. There were so many beloved elements in the DCEU that could have been built upon instead of discarded.

I honestly just want high quality DC movies that line up with the comics and satisfy the little kid inside me still reading my huge stack of Batman comics and watching the animated series on Cartoon Network.
Imdewback
Imdewback - 11/16/2024, 11:01 PM
@DClover1984 - I don’t believe in trashing him before he’s had a chance to run things his way. I think that has expectations high with looking to Nick pick annd pick it apart instead of sitting back and enjoying what he’s presented. I’m in my 50’s and didn’t have the opportunity to see all of the wonderful comics brought to life .
Yup
Yup - 11/15/2024, 6:12 PM
James Gunn's choices for rebooting the DC universe are definitely raising some eyebrows. While his vision for a more interconnected, cohesive franchise is understandable, it's hard not to feel concerned about the things being left behind or completely reset. Characters and storylines that had just started to gain momentum are being scrapped, and it seems like we're losing some of the best parts of what came before. It's frustrating because there's potential in the existing continuity, and instead of building on that, we're hitting the reset button. It makes you wonder if the risk of alienating the audience is worth the gamble of a full reboot, especially when some recent projects were actually starting to find their stride.
NonPlayerC
NonPlayerC - 11/16/2024, 9:12 PM
@Yup - eh I’m indifferent. Camille was a great cast for Superman but Snyder made him way too serious. He didn’t exude the optimism Superman should. Better writing and direction caville would have been great. Same with afleck. He could have been the best Batman to date but instead just went around telling everyone he was Batman and don’t get me started on Martha. Gal was okay in my opinion but she never came across as fierce, she was a lot like the old wonder women show which I’m sure some enjoyed but I prefer her to be an intimidating Amazon warrior. Momoa was entertaining enough but he was comedic relief, pretty much how marvel has done Thor which I’m not a fan of. Ezra miller was the single worst casting in a comic franchise in my opinion.
Yeah they could have cherry picked a few of the snyderverse to carry over but it would have been a jarring change in tone for some.
While I enjoyed peacemaker, I would have preferred a clean break and complete start over. I’m also not sold on gunns vision yet. I’m excited for green lantern, a little hesitant about what I’ve seen from leaks and rumors from Superman, and I can’t stand Damien so have little hope for me liking Batman. But low expectations are sometimes better, maybe he’ll prove me wrong and I’ll love it. Only time will tell
TehJoker
TehJoker - 11/16/2024, 9:58 PM
@NonPlayerC - Camille was so sexy though. Casting a hispanic women for the role. *Chef kiss*
mountainman
mountainman - 11/16/2024, 10:38 PM
@Yup - If you liked the DCEU, that is your choice to make. But it’s obvious from the disastrous box office that most people didn’t.
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GeneralZod
GeneralZod - 11/16/2024, 7:04 PM
Good opinion piece. My take: James Gunn trusts James Gunn. His track record of success in the CBM space, while imperfect, is hard to argue. After what DC has put out the last 11 years and Marvel Studios the last four years, I don't think there are a lot of writers and producers out there that "get" CBMs. Gunn is also a diehard comic book guy from when he was growing up in the 1970s, which matters. I think Gunn is making good decisions (keeping in mind that J2 was clearly out of his hands). Let's see how good (or bad) "Superman" is.
cubichy
cubichy - 11/16/2024, 7:04 PM
I am in full agreement here, I absolutely despise peacemaker, its so much more than silliness. There shouldn't be a season 2, so many better primary characters to develop. The new supes...I hope he does well, but I am not excited one bit yet. I also love gal as wonder woman, but 84 was shit, but all other showings were great. I also really liked cavil and batflek... but it is what it is, I hope dc success and we get more comic book movi3es and not less, but I just don't see it
ChandlerMcniel
ChandlerMcniel - 11/17/2024, 3:59 PM
@cubichy - I think it's really good that the new DCU has very clear creative oversight from a Feige like character, but I don't have faith in Gunn. I hope he proves me wrong!
cubichy
cubichy - 11/17/2024, 10:30 PM
@chandlermcniel - well said and so do I, cause I love dc and want to continue watching comic book movie 🎬.
Moriakum
Moriakum - 11/16/2024, 7:07 PM
It's easy to understand: Gunn's wife starred in the project? Then it's canon. The rest can go.
BraveNewClunge
BraveNewClunge - 11/16/2024, 7:12 PM
@Moriakum - 🤣🤣🤣

Don't forget his brother
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 11/17/2024, 6:52 AM
@Moriakum - Black Adam is canon?!
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 11/17/2024, 6:52 AM
And Shazam 2?!
Moriakum
Moriakum - 11/17/2024, 7:16 AM
@ObserverIO - I said "starring" not "cameo".
MaxPaint
MaxPaint - 11/17/2024, 7:35 AM
@Moriakum - Hear! hear!
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 11/17/2024, 9:59 AM
@Moriakum - So just Peacemaker Season 1 then.
BraxtonHicks
BraxtonHicks - 11/16/2024, 7:15 PM
Seems like Gunn is dropping us right in the middle of a fully realized world where we enter smack dab in the middle of everyone's storyline and will lead us down a river to something greater without a lot of origins.
MaxPaint
MaxPaint - 11/17/2024, 7:36 AM
@BraxtonHicks - But when Snyder was doing that with WW and Batman, it was labelled as "rushing the universe".
RitoRevolto
RitoRevolto - 11/17/2024, 1:33 PM
@BraxtonHicks - I kinda prefer this. I'm origin'd out at the moment.
fosdog
fosdog - 11/18/2024, 8:24 AM
@MaxPaint - exactly. but now it's ok? don't get me wrong, i'm rooting for the success of the new DCU, but I am not a fan of how Gunn is handling the "soft" reboot with using only characters he's worked with; Blue Beetle being the exception.
krayzeman
krayzeman - 11/18/2024, 9:56 AM
@MaxPaint - It remains to be seen how Gunn's world will go but Snyder's universe was totally rushed because WB wanted their Justice League so bad to catch up to Marvels Avengers that it ended in a fiasco.
MaxPaint
MaxPaint - 11/18/2024, 3:47 PM
@krayzeman - I agree with you on that...but how's this any different? we are getting the authority, JSA just in what should be Superman's first movie in this universe.
krayzeman
krayzeman - 11/19/2024, 12:00 PM
@MaxPaint - Well granted we havent seen Gunn's Superman yet so we'll see how the other heroes play in this movie. To me their just supporting characters and every movie has supporting characters, its just with this one it happens to be other heroes. This just doesnt feel like a studio mandate especially since Gunn is a bonified good writer and director. Also Justice League is no where in sight in this first chapter of Gods & Monsters! We'll see how it all pans out.
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 11/16/2024, 7:17 PM
Josh they are attacking lord Gunn...please clean this up!
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 11/16/2024, 7:18 PM
It’s James Gunn’s universe. Why wouldn’t he make the things he made canon? They’d fit tonallly into his universe as well as the narrative.

Those others are not as universally adored as you say, nor should he have to or want to deal with the baggage that comes with the others. He’s allowed to clean slate or pick and choose who fits his sensibilities
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 11/17/2024, 12:04 PM
@MyCoolYoung - this is such a weird article. Fans feel too involved, it’s Gunn creative decision to make not the fans
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 11/17/2024, 3:18 PM
@ShimmyShimmyYA - as fans, we've become so entitled it's genuinely crazy.

We haven't gotten one full Gunn universe project and we're already judging the vision. Like C'Mon
Fosilly
Fosilly - 11/16/2024, 7:21 PM
"I do not understand why no one else is up in arms about this."
Plenty of people are pointing this out.
While I liked The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker, if you are doing a reboot, do a reboot. I don't know what the hell this mish mash of continuities will be.
From what I read, they are keeping some plots and scenes as canon and some are not, as if that make the whole thing clearer.
Continuity wise, it looks like it will be a giant mess, akin to X-Men movies.
However, if we get good movies, continuity aside, then I am good with it.
elcapitan
elcapitan - 11/16/2024, 11:24 PM
@Fosilly - The hierarchy of DC is being remade in the image of James Gunn. And that’s that. You don’t like it? Then you’ll still have Elseworlds
ChandlerMcniel
ChandlerMcniel - 11/17/2024, 3:57 PM
@elcapitan - I think they're actually doing away with Elseworlds other than The Batman. No official word about it in years suggests that.
elcapitan
elcapitan - 12/1/2024, 1:39 AM
@ChandlerMcniel - and The Batman and Joker are Elseworlds. So I don’t understand your point. Plus Gunn has outright stated his support for Elseworld stories. And Gunn and Safran have only been in control for a year or so, and the first project is coming out on Monday. So theres no reason to believe there won’t be future Elseworlds stories. But they can’t only release so many movies at a time.
massdeath
massdeath - 11/16/2024, 7:23 PM
Look I have some faith that Gunn will deliver, but why he decided to do anything but a full restart is beyond me. I hope he takes the first few moments of Creature Commandos and/or Peacemaker S2 to fully clear up what is and is not canon. Starting off with confusion would be a horrible idea.
elcapitan
elcapitan - 11/16/2024, 11:26 PM
@massdeath - by saying some things are canon it gives him the ability to cherry pick. It gives him far more creative flexibility than locking down canon now.
Reginator
Reginator - 11/16/2024, 7:34 PM
I think Gunn will shit the bed. He got away with silly crap in GotG and some in SS, but those were not entire universes of his making. Peacemaker was just bad and I expect the rest of his ideas for DC will be the same.
Forthas
Forthas - 11/16/2024, 7:36 PM
"...The Suicide Squad. The film underperformed financially but jived well with critics and audiences. My feelings about the film can be summed up as such: meh. It was fine."

My feelings abou the film can be summed up as such...

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