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thedrudo
thedrudo - 6/19/2023, 12:04 PM
Batman and Batman Returns haven’t aged well?
EarlChai
EarlChai - 6/19/2023, 12:12 PM
@thedrudo - Unpopular opinion, but yes. I only got into comics/superheroes when Spider-Man 1 came out so missed seeing them until 2-3 years ago. Compared to the stuff that's happened since their plots are pretty basic with very little comic book flavor. The first seemed more enamored with the idea of a guy with a secret identity than anything else, which I guess was more novel at the time? Returns was just as campy as the Schumacher films, just with more violence and less neon.

I know, I know. Let y'all's hate rain from the sky. ;)
tmp3
tmp3 - 6/19/2023, 12:13 PM
@thedrudo - Batman Returns aged better than most CBMs. Visually beautiful, thematically rich and so personal to Burton himself in a way that most modern day CBMs (or even Burton films) don't come close to
TheHumanSpider2
TheHumanSpider2 - 6/19/2023, 12:15 PM
@thedrudo - Some aspects of them, nope, especially Returns.
DudeGuy
DudeGuy - 6/19/2023, 12:24 PM
@EarlChai - seeing as how these movies were made in the late 80s and early 90s I think they’re aging just fine.
thedrudo
thedrudo - 6/19/2023, 12:58 PM
@TheHumanSpider2 - I still dig both. Returns was one of the first big comic book movies I got to see as a kid so the nostalgia for that one runs deep. I have some qualms with both movies but man, both remain two of my favorite comic book movies.
TheHumanSpider2
TheHumanSpider2 - 6/19/2023, 2:00 PM
@thedrudo - Batman 89 still great, but some elements aged poorly, Returns already had issues when it came out, and some elements aged even worse than 89...
Both movies still good, but thet are over 30, and it shows, is not like Superman 78 which feels timeless
Th3Batman
Th3Batman - 6/19/2023, 4:09 PM
@EarlChai - "Returns was just as campy as the Schumacher films, just with more violence and less neon".

Thank you, it's about time more people realize this.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/19/2023, 5:37 PM
@thedrudo - Young people DO know the Burton movies. Some of the younger ones know the Burton movies better than the Nolan movies. They're evergreen. Burton is cross-generational.

Tobey Maguire was a long time ago too. There's only 10 years between the two.

Tim Burton's Batman is historical. Legendary.
Why do you think they chose to build Birdman around Keaton? You couldn't have done that with Tobey Maguire or Hugh Jackman. The chose the biggest. The one that started it all. (yes I know Christopher Reeve's Superman is the Jaws to Batman 1989's Star Wars, but Star Wars was way bigger and created the model and so did Batman 1989 for cbms). Keaton's Batman is THE biggest.

The time span doesn't matter for shit like that.

The Little Mermaid.
The Force Awakens.
Top Gun: Maverick.
and on and on.

This doesn't belong on the list at all.

Ezra should be the number 1 reason and the DCEU should be number 2. You don't need much more than those two to kill a movie.
rkshuttleworth
rkshuttleworth - 6/19/2023, 5:44 PM
@thedrudo - Nope, not the reason.
SATW42
SATW42 - 6/19/2023, 12:06 PM
Don't mind me, just here for the copium
TheBlueMorpho
TheBlueMorpho - 6/19/2023, 12:07 PM
DrReedRichards - 2/22/2023, 8:40 PM
"Ah, yes... the Black Adam method:

Ensure spoilers get out, then blame said "leak" for underwhelming BO numbers."

DannRamm113 - 2/22/2023, 8:54 PM
"nah.

This is Top Gun: Maverick. Not Black Adam."


DrReedRichards - 2/22/2023, 9:01 PM
"...you honestly think the Flash is going to be more like Top Gun than Dwayne's Vanity Project #42?"

DannRamm113 - 2/22/2023, 9:11 PM


DrReedRichards - 2/22/2023, 9:14 PM


https://comicbookmovie.com/the-flash/the-flash-to-screen-at-cinemacon-almost-two-months-before-theatrical-release-a200648#gs.q8zaca
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 6/19/2023, 12:46 PM
@TheBlueMorpho -



Never change, dear Archivist.
knocturnalzen10
knocturnalzen10 - 6/19/2023, 3:59 PM
@TheBlueMorpho - always love coming back to seeing you providing receipts lol
Matador
Matador - 6/19/2023, 9:37 PM
@TheBlueMorpho - Damn, that's some fine record's management.
WakandaTech
WakandaTech - 6/19/2023, 12:10 PM
Ezra Miller

WB tried to hide his criminality with

"He's getting the help he needs" and most moviegoers did not buy it

ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/19/2023, 5:41 PM
@WakandaTech - And they even said the movie would make people forget his crimes and sang his goddamned praises, saying shit like if it does well he will be back for a sequel.
MotherFuckerJon
MotherFuckerJon - 6/19/2023, 12:10 PM
Josh takes a shit on DC every chance he gets. Stating that Keaton isn't a "megastar" and insinuating that he was one of this films short comings is beyond idiotic. Just because his films happened in the late 80 and early 90s doesn't make them any less iconic.
EskimoJ
EskimoJ - 6/19/2023, 12:26 PM
@Mother[frick]erJon - He literally said Keaton "steals the show" in this movie... 🧐
TheHumanSpider2
TheHumanSpider2 - 6/19/2023, 12:13 PM
SPOILERS

I would add insulting legacy characters; Burton's Bruce is an idiot who kills himself for no reason, and Kara is shown as someone who is uncapable of doing what her cousin did (with the help of Batman and TWO Flashes, mind you) no matter how many times she tries...are we really giving this message to young girls in 2023? lets add Affleck's Bruce being a horny loser, Gadot's Diana just being eye-candy, Momoa's Aquaman being a drunk imbecile, or Barry and the whole "I'm a 30 years old virgin"...lets not even talk about Christopher Reeves being turned into a PS2 puppet.

Besides all the reasons listed in the article, there are some decisions I just cant understand, was this movies suppoused to be a jab at Snyder? Muschetti wanted to sabotage his own movie because the competition offered him something better?
santoanderson
santoanderson - 6/19/2023, 12:13 PM
I would say it’s a combination of poor word-of-mouth, and everybody knowing it’s going to be on streaming by the end of July.
DarthAlgar
DarthAlgar - 6/19/2023, 12:14 PM
"A Poor Approach To Nostalgia"?

More like A Poor Approach To "Journalism", and I use that term loosely.

I'm starting to see why people crap on this Josh Wilding.
rkshuttleworth
rkshuttleworth - 6/19/2023, 5:48 PM
@DarthAlgar - He is allowed to influence our culture for some ridiculous reason. He is a Marvel tribalist. I refuse to read his wrestling articles because they are probably full of the same kind of crap.
DudeGuy
DudeGuy - 6/19/2023, 12:18 PM
It's a fun time. Not the best not the worst. A
fun time and one l'Il have no problem
revisiting every couple of years or so. Do l
think this movie deserves to flop? Ezra shit
aside and judging this strictly as a movie:
no. Less deserving movies have made more
money while more deserving have
unfortunately made less. it's a bummer, but
mostly as a big fan of the DC IP more than
anything else. Something like this makes me
concerned for the staying power of the
future of DC characters on the big screen.
DC has always been my favorite company
between the big two so I'm more concerned
with the big picture. DC really needs to
lower their budgets. They're not on marvels
level unfortunately of the billion dollar box
club time and time again. They need to
leave them selves open for more
profitability. We don't need Batman saving
Gotham as a whole in every movie. Some of
the best stories in Batman comics are small
scale street level stories that John
Carpenter could've adapted back in the day.
The toughest part about being a DC fan is
convincing others that the source material
is just as worthwhile as the stuff marvel
puts out.
MCUKnight11
MCUKnight11 - 6/19/2023, 12:21 PM
Seriously what was wrong with just saying it was a fun movie that you were proud of and hope people like it? Why did you promise me a 5 star Michelin meal when it ends being cafeteria level at best? Because of this, I think Gunn's trustworthiness and credibility will take a hit.
TheHumanSpider2
TheHumanSpider2 - 6/19/2023, 12:24 PM
@MCUKnight11 - You are missing the new one; there is a smear campaign, critics got paid for the negative reviews, and the BO numbers are fake, you have people on Twitter showing up suppoused sold out showings.

I dont know who is behind this marketing campaign, but s/he has issues.
DudeGuy
DudeGuy - 6/19/2023, 12:27 PM
@MCUKnight11 - what if Gunn really did love the movie though? I can see why people would both love and hate this movie. What about someone having a drastically different opinion than you threatens you so much? It isn’t that big of a deal. I think William Shakespeare’s stories are all dog shit. There’s nothing in there that’s special. i don’t think there anything in any of those stories that somebody else couldn’t have written just as well if not better. Some claim him to be the greatest writer of all time.
Urubrodi
Urubrodi - 6/19/2023, 12:32 PM
@TheHumanSpider2 - Yeah, I went to see it on opening day in London cause I had nothing better to do at the time, and it was pretty empty.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/20/2023, 5:42 AM
@TheHumanSpider2 - sounds like they're using the same PR analytic companies that Trump uses. Bad reviews are fake news. Ezra controversy is a hoax. The box office numbers are false; the movie's actually a sold-out success. It's all just communists and marxists trying to bring the movie and our fair, sweet country down. And Disney are all pedophiles, Disneyland is the new Epstein Island, they're trying to take down WBD because they're all alien lizards from planet Pedo-Commie!
Th3Batman
Th3Batman - 6/19/2023, 12:21 PM
I love Batman 89, Returns, and even Forever. However, if I take my nostalgia glasses off, they're objectively not good movies.
Steel86
Steel86 - 6/19/2023, 1:05 PM
@Th3Batman - I respectfully disagree. We sometimes get caught up with recently bias. The directing, acting and writing are all good. The villains get the bulk of the story and the action scenes aren't anything to write home about. Jack Nicholson's Joker is great, Keaton, Kim and Phifer all have great chemistry. Forever has some good spots in it as well.
As Batman said "Things change."
Th3Batman
Th3Batman - 6/19/2023, 4:12 PM
@Steel86 - The writing in all 4 of those old movies ranged from bad to worse. Joker falling in love ? seriously ?
Steel86
Steel86 - 6/19/2023, 4:25 PM
@Th3Batman - He was obsessed not in love. Throughout the movie it shows he obsesses over beautiful women and objects. And he also destroys or corrupts them. Very fitting with the character.
Th3Batman
Th3Batman - 6/19/2023, 5:20 PM
@Steel86 - Then there was the whole penguins marching down Gotham streets with rockets on their backs. I love those movies just as anyone who grew up on them, but writing wise, they do not hold up.
KingMob20
KingMob20 - 6/19/2023, 5:41 PM
@Th3Batman - that stuff is right out of the comics, which makes '89 & Returns so much fun! I'd rather that than Colin Ferrell's generic gangster-looking Penguin.
EskimoJ
EskimoJ - 6/19/2023, 12:29 PM
I'm noticing the gripe about the character newly getting powers and quickly being able to excel with them isn't being tossed around much here.
Urubrodi
Urubrodi - 6/19/2023, 12:34 PM
@EskimoJ - With the many issues the movie has I guess it's not the biggest. Though it's not clear how long has passed since Justice League, so he might have had enough time to learn the new abilities.
Steel86
Steel86 - 6/19/2023, 1:14 PM
@Urubrodi - I think Eskimo is talking more about how fast past Barry cought on to how to use his powers and Supergirl instantly flying eventhough she was captured and experimented on for years without sunlight.
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