Why THE FLASH Failed - Andy Muschietti's Comments Don't Tell The Whole Story

Why THE FLASH Failed - Andy Muschietti's Comments Don't Tell The Whole Story

Muschietti's recent comments about his DCEU movie's failure do not tell the entire story. These are the real reasons why The Scarlet Speedster's first solo movie failed.

Editorial Opinion
By ChandlerMcniel - Jan 14, 2025 05:01 PM EST
Filed Under: The Flash

I hate to see DC fail, but sometimes an end product just doesn’t meet the standards of the industry, the genre, or the fans. Unfortunately, The Flash met none of them. After marketing, the budget of The Flash is estimated to be at about 375 million dollars and it only made 271 million dollars in theaters, meaning it came up about one hundred million dollars short. Of course, that doesn’t account for toys sold, streaming revenue, and so on, but it also doesn’t account for the costs. All things considered and without a doubt, The Flash massively bombed. 

Recently, Andy Muschietti spoke candidly about The Flash’s failure, something it most certainly was. He spoke about the reasons for the movie’s failure, saying the following: 

It’s the result of a mental health situation, you know. It turned out the way it turned out, let’s say. I mean, they were dealing with a mental health situation, and well, when you make a movie, there are things you just can’t control. One of them is when actors have a public relations crisis. You know, they got into trouble, was arrested in Hawaii, etc., etc. I had, in general, a very good experience with them. They’re a great actor, a great comedian. I was very surprised by them. But then, towards the end, I came across all of this.

I’d say this happened months before the release, just before the premiere, and well, it was a setback. Later, other factors piled up, like, you know, the fatigue with the superhero genre. Years later, I started learning about other things, like how when a movie like this is made, there’s an expectation to appeal to all four quadrants of the audience. And this is a movie that, apart from everything else I mentioned, I think failed in the sense that it didn’t appeal to all four quadrants of the audience. 

When a $200 million movie is made, the studio expects to bring everyone, even your grandmother, to the theater. And in private conversations later on, I learned things like how a lot of people weren’t interested in the Flash as a character. Half of those four quadrants — the two female quadrants — many women didn’t care about Flash as a character. These are things that worked against the movie, and I gradually found out about them. But I’m very happy with the movie, and I highly recommend it.

Some parts of this make sense and definitely play into the movie’s failure. Ezra Miller certainly had a lot going on. If you want to bring yourself up to speed on all the allegations brought up against them, feel free to do some Googling, but it involved allegations of kidnapping, inappropriate behavior towards a minor, and several actual criminal charges. Yes, that most certainly played into it.

Superhero fatigue is a lame excuse. Very simply put, superhero movies do good when they are good movies. Deadpool & Wolverine broke a billion dollars at the box office this year and it’s rated R. Say what you will about the plot of the movie if you analyze it too hard, but it’s certainly a good movie. Joker: Folie á Deux was not a good movie (complex doesn’t mean good), therefore, it made almost no money.

Muschietti’s comments about people not being interested in Flash as a character, particularly women, are categorically false. Behind Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman, the Flash is, arguably, DC’s fourth most popular character. This is also a poor excuse. Before Guardians of the Galaxy, very few people knew who they were and that movie blew up their popularity because people liked it. The Flash is a much more popular character, and there was clearly an audience for him. On top of this, the idea of having a 200 million dollar movie appeal to every single type of audience member is absurd. The Batman’s budget was 185 million and that certainly didn’t appeal to everyone’s grandma. Maybe that’s why it didn’t hit a billion, but a movie doesn’t need that to be successful.

The first, and most obvious reason The Flash truly failed, is the absolutely awful CGI. Very close to the movie’s release, within a few days, Muschietti went on record to say that all the CGI was intentional and completely done. Even then, I didn’t buy it. Since then, alleged workers for the VFX companies that worked on the movie said they were rushed. The CGI, in some scenes, was truly terrible. The notorious falling baby scene will most certainly go down in infamy as one of the worst scenes in superhero movie history. Word of mouth spread very quickly about the poor CGI likely convincing many moviegoers to not go.

The second reason The Flash failed must be the ongoing collapse of the DCEU. The Flash went through a massive amount of rewrites and regime changes. At one point, it was set to reboot the DCEU into a version that had Keaton’s Batman leading the Justice League. When it all went downhill and it seemed fairly clear Gunn was going to reboot everything, many people assumed the movie would not matter in terms of the universe it was connected to, and they assumed correctly. The Flash was the second to last movie in a dead franchise, something that put many people off.

The third reason for The Flash’s failure would be the writing. To be fair, the writing wasn’t all bad. There were some scenes that were great like Batman fighting the goons in the tunnel, but if you analyzed the plot of the movie for more than a few minutes, you’d find a story about a boy who wants to save his mom layered in nonsensical complexity. For example, the weird time bubble thing. Why in the world would they choose to portray time travel in such a way, I have no idea. In the category of writing, is the cameos which were mostly shoehorned in for no reason. Not one cameo in the multiverse bubble thing had an actual reason for being there. At least in Deadpool & Wolverine and Spider-Man: No Way Home the cameos were there to continue the stories of the characters themselves. 

Superhero fatigue and all the lack of interest in the Flash as a character are terrible excuses. Ezra Miller’s controversies definitely played into it, but Muschietti has failed to recognize that the movie had terrible CGI, the DCEU’s collapse hurt his film, and that the writing wasn’t great. 

Let me know what you think in the comments!

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jd2841
jd2841 - 1/14/2025, 5:51 PM
1. Every fan of comics and comicbook movies was aware of the pending end of the DCEU.
2. The off set drama by Ezra Miller turned off many.
3. Once the word on the state of the CGI hit the street, folks waited for it to arrive on streaming services.
4. Flash movie crash based upon director's reasoning? How do Muschiett's comments stack up when compared to the popularity of the long running TV show? Not good at all.

It was a very good plot. Movie was obviously rushed by the studios hoping to hurry up the gate receipts from the hiring of Gunn.
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 1/14/2025, 6:29 PM
@jd2841 - The Flash should have been the beginning of the DCU in my opinion. It needed to have Ezra being replaced in the movie by the new Flash from an alternate universe and then a massive collision of various replacements happened which would be the DCU and the only ones who would be aware of what happened are the two Flash heroes who were directly responsible for it.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 1/14/2025, 6:44 PM
@SonOfAGif - THAT is f@#%ng brilliant.

Your suggestion seems like the obvious solution, and is far more interesting to me in theory, than what I've seen thus far.


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KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 1/14/2025, 6:45 PM
@jd2841 - Good points.
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 1/14/2025, 7:41 PM
@jd2841 - i completely agree.

The sheep mentality on this movie is something. A lot was turned off by the antics of Ezra and Snyder cultists added to the flame when Gunn was hired.

Anyhow, inspite of all of this and a bad CGI, this is a great film imo that if it were released a few years ago and without these baggage, couldve reached Avengers level of success.
philinterrupted
philinterrupted - 1/14/2025, 5:54 PM
Jesus, this movie made a bigger impact with people who didn’t like it than who did. I liked the movie and dont think about it anymore.

Two articles arguing the directors !!OPINION! !of why the movie failed. I thought his point is pretty accurate on a lot of levels. He made a movie that didn’t connect with a wide audience. That’s typically why movies fail.

If you think a movie is good, there’s certainly someone who thinks it’s bad and vice versa. It just depends on how that scales if the movie is financially successful.

And honestly isn’t that really what the director as talking as far as success? Money made. Because the rest is just debatable if you thinks it’s a good movie.

If you didn’t like the movie fine. Who gives a shit anymore? It was almost two years ago now.
ChandlerMcniel
ChandlerMcniel - 1/14/2025, 6:14 PM
@philinterrupted - Actually, as a whole, I liked the movie. This article isn't about whether or not I liked it. It's about why it failed.
philinterrupted
philinterrupted - 1/14/2025, 6:20 PM
@ChandlerMcniel - everyone agrees it failed. Even the director.
ChandlerMcniel
ChandlerMcniel - 1/14/2025, 6:55 PM
@philinterrupted - Right, but this is about why.
Patient2670
Patient2670 - 1/14/2025, 7:44 PM
@ChandlerMcniel - Why does nobody ever talk about the fact that between all the writers and directors that started the project, they had spent over a hundred million on it before Muscietti ever came aboard? That's why the budget was so high while the VFX were so bad. Of course, that doesn't change or excuse the final result, but since money seems to be the barometer for success, it's certainly a factor in its failure.
ChandlerMcniel
ChandlerMcniel - 1/14/2025, 9:08 PM
@Patient2670 - Very true!
mountainman
mountainman - 1/14/2025, 5:54 PM
1. The DCEU had bad public image by the time it came out.
2. Ezra Miller is crazy and his antics were bad PR.
3. The public knew the universe was being reset so the movie didn’t matter.
4. Competition from other movies that launched near it.
5. It wasn’t very good.

That’s why it failed.
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 1/14/2025, 5:55 PM
It was a fun Batman movie but the weird Flash extended cameo make it awkward .
DraculaX
DraculaX - 1/14/2025, 6:00 PM
Because anything associated with the DCEU has it's stink on it.

They should've ask Grant to come back one more time to salvage it
2013venjix
2013venjix - 1/14/2025, 6:29 PM
@DraculaX - Suppose Grant turns it down? 🤨
ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 1/14/2025, 6:04 PM
The Flash is popular enough to have warranted multiple television projects, cartoons, and animated films as well as countless other merchandising products. Hell, The Flash when it debuted on the CW was one of the most popular superhero series on television and even with the weak AF writing for the later seasons, still managed to last over 6 seasons. Muschietti is lying to himself to cope with the fact he made a mid Flash movie in which the best part of it was Batman...
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 1/14/2025, 6:25 PM
@ModHaterSLADE - I would've accepted Batman being the best part if it was Flashpoint, but for some reason it indeed was a mess of a movie instead
BullydaReview
BullydaReview - 1/14/2025, 6:05 PM
The movie was bad it took forever to come out Ezra was on some BS CGI trash I liked the writing but switching off the Batman’s is what really pissed me off…. shit at least Affleck, Keaton, and Clooney got a little check 🤷🏾‍♂️💯😂
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 1/14/2025, 6:23 PM
Yeah, issues with the main star did have an effect, but I think the GA didn't even know about the personal issues. A lack of interesting lead is barely the sole cause though.

The movie was indeed just bad, whether that was the state of the overarching universe (qualitywise, doubt the GA knew of the leadership reset), the movie's writing, or it's CGI.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 1/14/2025, 6:25 PM
I honestly agree with Muschietti for the most part here…

I haven’t seen the film in its entirety yet but I can definitely see how their were a number of factors that led to The Flash’s reception & performance such as Ezra’s controversies , the ever changing nature of DC & WB which led to constant reshoots etc.

However while I get that not every character or movie will appeal to everyone , it is still up to the filmmaker to make you care about the character at the end…

It’s why I get upset when idiots on here are like “no one cares about this character” before something comes out because watch the [frick]ing thing and then you might care but anyway , I digress.

Granted , the marketing of the movie needs to appeal to one enough to even give the filmmaker the chance to make you care which it didn’t seem to do for this compiled with Ezra’s controversies & lack of DCEU interest etc.

I can’t speak to the writing since I haven’t seen the film overall and that tends to be subjective , same with it being good or not since they are people who don’t think DP & W was good and some do…

The GA just wants to be entertained , they don’t particularly care if it’s good or not and box office history has many examples of that.
Cryptonautaz
Cryptonautaz - 1/14/2025, 6:42 PM
After seeing the Hulk and Thanos we should never see anything that reminds us of The Rock in "The Scorpion King".
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 1/14/2025, 6:44 PM
There are many many reasons. The two big reasons that nobody seems to realize or admit are...

1) After the Robert Pattinson led Batman reboot they did a Batman multiverse movie without him (akin to doing NWH with only Garfield, Maguire and Nicholas Hammond and ignoring the current rebooted Spider-man, Tom Holland).

2) It assumed the audience had seen and loved the Justice League movie.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 1/14/2025, 6:47 PM
(same two reasons the DCU might fail essentially; 1 = two many batmen, 2 = a world where superheroes exist without explanation)
OriginalGusto1
OriginalGusto1 - 1/14/2025, 7:12 PM
Umm...cause it sucked?
DarthAlgar
DarthAlgar - 1/14/2025, 7:24 PM
I remember Tom Cruise calling the film the bee's knees.
CaptainFlapjaks
CaptainFlapjaks - 1/14/2025, 10:40 PM
@DarthAlgar - i think at that point he was rumoured to be green lantern so maybe to keep in good faith? Much like how gunn called it amazing?
tmp3
tmp3 - 1/14/2025, 7:25 PM
Saying “it flopped because girls don’t like Flash” is just an admittance to your own failings as a film-maker. Barbie is the quintessential girl’s toy and the historical biopic is the signature dad movie, but somehow Barbenheimer took the world by storm a month after this thing crashed & burned despite those not appealing to “two of the four quadrants”. This guy doesn’t make great movies and doesn’t even seem to have much reverence towards DC. Which makes it even wilder that they handed him their biggest IP
CaptainFlapjaks
CaptainFlapjaks - 1/14/2025, 10:37 PM
@tmp3 - not just that, but good movie means good movie. Barbie was a girls movie, but every guy after barbie was repping "i am kenough". And the cw superhero shows had a massive female following. He does raise a point about ezra millers situation being a factor in people not wanting to support it, but unless you were following the film and cbms were the general public aware of everything? Or did they not go because dc films at that point had a bad reputation amongst the general public and they would rather save their money on seeing barbenheimer?.
DREAMER
DREAMER - 1/14/2025, 7:52 PM
He ruined Michael Keaton's Legacy as Batman, he screwed The Snyderverse timeline and he butchered Christopher Reeve's Superman!User Comment Image
CreateNowSlpL8r
CreateNowSlpL8r - 1/14/2025, 8:01 PM
I'll add a few reasons, they changed so much from the source material. How is Reverse Flash not the antagonist? Why was Supermans role replaced by Supergirl? (who was then race swapped). Millars portrayal wasn't popular. Why did they continue to go with the awkward loser personality. Barry is nothing like that in the comics, the animation or even the CW show. Let's double down and give them TWO Millar Barrys.

If you think about it. Its a Flash movie where Barry can't solve the problems he creates. He needs Batman and Superman, er Supergirl to battle the Kryptonians. I love the Flash but this wasn't a Flash story. It was a convoluted shit show written by hacks.
TheRationalNerd
TheRationalNerd - 1/14/2025, 8:10 PM
No accountability.

Please keep this man away from Batman. Hell, get Affleck to direct his film with another actor taking on the role.
cheeseburger
cheeseburger - 1/14/2025, 8:13 PM
Horrible casting blew this movie to bits. I grew up being a Flash fan and Ezra is nothing like that Flash. That and the worst slow jog running effect for a man that’s supposed to be fastest alive. Sigh
TiberiousOmega
TiberiousOmega - 1/14/2025, 8:17 PM
The directors reasons for the movies failure are bullshit. The movie was somewhere between fine and not good. First, Ezra Miller is not a good Flash. So first he should have been re-cast. The story was dumb. It would have been a better movie if it followed the Flashpoint storyline. Then Flashpoint could have led directly into whatever or the new DCU. Don’t get me wrong, the movie had a few decent moments, but it was mostly underwhelming!
CaptainFlapjaks
CaptainFlapjaks - 1/14/2025, 10:27 PM
@TiberiousOmega - it disappoints me he didnt make a good flash. He was great in perks of being a wallflower. I dont know how much of a hand he had in coming up with that version but i think if he had a more subdued barry it would have worked. But yeah the version they went with for the movie and jl did not work at all.
JobinJ
JobinJ - 1/14/2025, 8:35 PM
The movie would have been good if it wasnt for that stupid ass baby rescue scene and the terrible cGI
slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 1/14/2025, 10:44 PM
WB/DC was just stupid for keeping Miller on board… should’ve recasted that wacko. Could e replaced him in almost every flash shot because it was just his floating head on a Gumby cgi body.
2013venjix
2013venjix - 1/14/2025, 11:20 PM
This film was in development hell for almost 20 years at the time (40 years to be exact). All that buildup, rumors and setbacks led to a cinematic flop. That broke my heart. 💔

All those 3 issues in that article are the main reasons the film failed.

1. The FX. The CGI was both poorly rushed & often times overused. For a visual comic book character, I would've thought something spectacular like the VFX from Man of Steel. However no one learned their lesson after the theatrical cut of Justice League. 🤷

2. The Changing of the guards. After James Gunn & Peter Safran was sworn in as CEO of DC Studios, The writings on the wall for DCEU. No salvaging to this cinematic universe & they hit the reset button. Flash along with "Fury of the Gods", "Blue Beetle" & "The Lost Kingdom" were the final nails to the coffin to this universe.

3. (EASY) The writing! TBH They jump the gun & rushed on this multiverse concept with no buildup. Flashpoint should've been put in the back burner & the film should've mostly focus on his origin, before jumping into that territory. Plus adding Batman (Keaton, Affleck... and Clooney) and Supergirl and its cameos in the multiverse bubble, there's really no need for it. NO NEED FOR IT AT ALL. The storylines, its mythos & its characters in The Flash could've been easily adapted for this film adding to the origin & it ended up a poorly write up.


Along with this:


Andy Muschietti really put his foot in the mouth with his comments about people not being interested in Flash as a character. I guess after his DC animated appearances, his 2 TV adaptations & over 6 to 8 decades of comics, Andy still thinks people aren't interested. So embarrassing. 😒


Yes, Superhero fatigue IS a lame excuse. The reason for that is the studios greenlighting film adaptations that nobody asked for! Hell, I never asked for a Joker film, or a Clayface film.


Ezra Miller had issues. That we can agree on. But I one of the few that didn't condemn him (or them). Ever since Ezra signed on, people were turned off.

The one I'm actually sick of is involving Grant Gustin where people really want him to replace Miller or he be a better fit for the movie. To all the CW fans, kind of asked yourself what happens if Grant turns it down?! Grant had 9 seasons, he's moved on with this character. There are other actors who can filled in for Ezra and sure as hell, it ain't Sebastian Smythe from Glee!



This character deserves better. The film deserves better. Not only better but respected. In this age of superhero films, this should be a walk in the park, so they shouldn't be any issues period over the process of the film. James Gunn said that he's in no rush to introduce a new take on The Flash to the DCU. Yeah, sure he's in his "Gods and monsters" mode & whether or not he's doing an nc-17 rated Swamp Thing film or whatnot, But after that, I would like to see a proper & better Flash film.


The fans deserves better. I know I do.
NinnesMBC
NinnesMBC - 1/14/2025, 11:48 PM
I think the biggest mistake was saying that there weren't/aren't people interested in Flash's character. That's just objectively plain wrong.

Flash is fast, Flash is cool.

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