5 Awful Multiverse Saga Creative Decisions Marvel Studios Needs To Fix Before AVENGERS 5

5 Awful Multiverse Saga Creative Decisions Marvel Studios Needs To Fix Before AVENGERS 5

The Multiverse Saga has been extremely hit-and-miss thus far, but there are a handful of mostly terrible creative decisions which we'd like Marvel Studios to undo or address by the time Avengers 5 arrives.

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By JoshWilding - May 17, 2024 01:05 PM EST

Marvel Studios being forced to split its attention between movies, streaming, and animation has resulted in the Multiverse Saga being a little messy. Now, they're making moves to fix that and we're expecting a big slate update to head our way later this summer.

As we write this, Avengers 5 is fast approaching and some lingering issues need to be addressed. 

With Kevin Feige unable to give every movie and TV show his full attention, a handful of ideas have slipped through the cracks which haven't worked. In this feature, we're touching on some of the most noteworthy, explaining why they need to be fixed or undone as we head into the later stages of this Saga. 

To take a look at them, you'll just need to tap on the "Next"/"View List" buttons below...
 

5. She-Hulk's Fourth Wall Breaks

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So much of the hate for She-Hulk: Attorney at Law was unwarranted, but even its most staunch defenders had to back down after what proved to be an oddly chaotic, weird finale. 

We fully appreciate that She-Hulk breaking the fourth wall lines up with the comics. However, it didn't work on screen and led to both too much back-patting (K.E.V.I.N.) and a disappointing conclusion to a show which had any importance to the wider MCU taken from it when Jennifer Walters rewrote the story.

It was a cute addition to the Disney+ series at time, yes. Now, though, it's time to move on from the silliness and establish She-Hulk as the incredible hero and Avenger she is in the comic books. 
 

4. The Multiversal War Is Ant-Man's Fault

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Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania was supposed to end with Kang the Conqueror escaping the Quantum Realm, leaving Scott Lang and Hope Van Dyne trapped in his place. With that, the ultimate Kang Variant would have been free to unleash war on the Multiverse.

Instead, reshoots made it so that he died at Ant-Man's hands and Scott was left to wonder whether he'd doomed the world while celebrating his daughter's birthday. As downgrades go, that was a big one. 

The focus is now expected to be taken off Kang and, hopefully, Marvel Studios will move on from this subplot. Whether it's resurrecting that Kang as The Beyonder or finding a way to make the Multiversal War about more than a fumble from Ant-Man (which shouldn't be hard), Quantumania is best forgotten.
 

3. Jane Foster's Death

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Thor: Love and Thunder made a series of significant missteps, though the biggest was arguably saved for last. To some extent, it made sense for the messy story Taika Waititi was attempting to tell, but Jane Foster should have never died here. 

It may line up with the comics, but in those, Jane had more than one adventure as the Mighty Thor. She saved Asgard, battled villains like Minotaur and Malekith, and even assembled alongside The Avengers where she romanced Captain America. 

To Marvel Studios' credit, the door was left open for a possible return with that Valhalla scene. To shelve her before the next Avengers movies is mind-boggling, and we can now only hope the Multiverse undoes this, even if it's through the introduction of the Thor Corps.
 

2. Doctor Strange's Third Eye

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Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness was a better movie than many fans give it credit for. In fact, it usually seems to get a hard time simply for not living up to expectations set by the wild rumours about cameos for characters like Spider-Man and an evil Iron Man!

While the sequel was put through the wringer during reshoots, it went off the deep end with its ending. After meeting a Variant of himself who had a third eye which opened after the Darkhold corrupted him, Stephen Strange suddenly developed one of his own...and seemed perfectly fine with it by the time he met Clea.

It was a mess and suggested he might have become villainous in nature. This feels like the wrong direction to take Strange in and Marvel Studios either needs to better explain this or use a few throwaway lines to move past it pretty quickly. 
 

1. Peter Parker, No More

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This worked within the context of the movie, but make no mistake about it, at least part of the reason the world forgot about Peter Parker was in case No Way Home was Marvel Studios' final Spider-Man movie.

Disney's relationship with Sony Pictures fell apart after Far From Home and it was only pressure from fans and Tom Holland which made things right. By having everyone forget Peter, Spidey could swing off on adventures we'd, unfortunately, never get to see. 

There are interesting places to take this in Spider-Man 4, but the sooner it's undone, the better. Peter's relationships with characters like Doctor Strange and Happy Hogan are, after all, a huge part of why it's been such a joy to see him in the MCU.

Which Multiverse Saga creative decisions would you like to see fixed or undone in the coming years? Let us know in the comments section below.
 

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bobevanz
bobevanz - 5/17/2024, 1:17 PM
Just five? Lol
Matchesz
Matchesz - 5/17/2024, 1:20 PM
They love creating more problems
marvel72
marvel72 - 5/17/2024, 1:23 PM
Keep the following

WandaVision
Doctor Strange And The MultiVerse Of Madness
Spider-Man:No Way Home
Werewolf By Night
Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 3
Guardians Of The Galaxy Christmas Special

Deadpool And Wolverine hits the reset button,the rest of the shit doesn't exist.
Amuro
Amuro - 5/17/2024, 2:05 PM
@marvel72 -

Post-credit scene : Deadpool goes back in time to kill Thanos (and survive with his regenerative skill), Tony Stark survives and is still there, and the whole state of the MCU is rebooted from that point forward with a lot of bad movies and bad TV shows not having happened since. No Love and Thunder, no Quantummania (bye bye Kang), no The Marvels, no She-Hulk, no Secret Invasion, etc...
marvel72
marvel72 - 5/17/2024, 4:16 PM
@Amuro -

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SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 5/17/2024, 1:24 PM
How is the Multiversal War Ant Man's fault? That Kang variant was exiled to the Quantum Realm by the council of Kangs. Ant Man and Wasp were able to send Kang further down into the Quantum Realm. Loki is who started the Multiversal War by unlocking Universe 616 and all of it's branched timelines to coexist with the rest of the Multiverse.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 5/17/2024, 1:25 PM
I agree with the last one. People forgetting that Peter Parker was Spider-Man and forgetting they know him is fine, but how does a person with no identity actually live in the real world in this day and age? It's not like it's the 20th Century where he can just forge a fake ID and be Ben Reilly.

But the first four I disagree with. I like She-Hulk's fourth wall breaks, I like that the one person responsible for saving the world probably just doomed the world, Jane Foster dying was a part of the story in the comics (the film didn't work, but there was nothing wrong with the ingredients it took from Jason Aaron's Thor run, they were good ingredients just a bad bake) and Strange having a third eye was a neat little Raimi-ism. But it did look shit. Could've looked a whole lot better. Also, aesthetically I prefer my third eyes to be vertical not horizontal. Just makes more sense that way.
narrow290
narrow290 - 5/17/2024, 4:18 PM
@ObserverIO - "it was a bad bake" couldn't agree more i liked She-Hulk and Multiverse of Madness
supermanrex
supermanrex - 5/17/2024, 1:25 PM
Feige needs to come out now and give us a damn roadmap. everything is so [frick]ing secretive its adding to the wounds they need to be tending to. im sure we can get some [frick]ing assurance of whats going on and coming up without spoiling anything. meanwhile DC just lets us know whats up daily and still dont manage to spoil any story points. i feel way more informed about gunns plans than the rumor infested marvel slate.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 5/17/2024, 1:28 PM
@supermanrex - to be fair…

Gunn tends to be more open and on social media so he can inform as much possible while there’s no direct line to Feige

I do think we need another check in on the slate again and see what’s next or not since it’s been awhile and so much has changed (perhaps D23 or SDCC?).
Gambito
Gambito - 5/17/2024, 4:10 PM
@supermanrex - that would not ease my worries since the last Marvel calendar was only half correct
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 5/17/2024, 1:25 PM
It’s a slow news day and I’m assuming rent is due…

Anyway as choppy as the ending to mid credits scene of MoM was , I hope we do delve into Strange having to deal with possibly being corrupted by dark magic due to using the Darkhold and how it affects him & his relationships , especially since he’s just met Clea.

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I enjoyed the fourth wall breaks in She Hulk for the most part but I can definitely understand how they could be a divisive element (hope they tone it down for her appearances in Avengers or team up stories atleast).
ManofSteel79
ManofSteel79 - 5/17/2024, 1:26 PM
The hate for She-Hulk was completely warranted. The whole show was poorly written.
marvel72
marvel72 - 5/17/2024, 1:30 PM
@ManofSteel79 -

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Matchesz
Matchesz - 5/17/2024, 1:39 PM
@ManofSteel79 - that writers room was full of toxic sjw’s if you watch the behind the scenes videos, I imagine thats how the creatives are on most of these projects they just arent as vocal as Jessica Gao and company. They never should have disbanded the creative committee overseeing the projects, cant trust Feige doing it alone since it seems he doesnt care
Izaizaiza
Izaizaiza - 5/17/2024, 1:49 PM
@ManofSteel79 - I dunno. It wasn't great, but it was a fun watch. Personally, I enjoyed it trolling the trolls.
RolandD
RolandD - 5/17/2024, 5:07 PM
@ManofSteel79 - Totally disagree. I do think for Kevin review was a little too much but overall, I liked the show.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 5/17/2024, 1:30 PM
Jane Foster coming back as part of the Thor Corps is a good idea though. That'd be a dope way of bringing in Beta Ray Bill too (and maybe try out some recasting choices for the reboot).
DanielPlainviewsGhost
DanielPlainviewsGhost - 5/17/2024, 4:14 PM
@ObserverIO - This would be a great time to introduce Beta Ray Bill.

Also, do it motion capture with Will Arnett doing the voice.
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 5/17/2024, 1:40 PM
ok budi thats enough
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 5/17/2024, 1:45 PM
I wonder if they changed atleast partly the ending of Quantumania because it would have been too reminiscent of Ant Man & The Wasp where Scott got trapped in the Quantum Realm?.

Also , I don’t think we’ll see Jane as Mighty Thor again but I could see her as a Valkyrie like in the comics.

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Amuro
Amuro - 5/17/2024, 1:57 PM
"5 Awful Multiverse Saga Creative Decisions Marvel Studios Needs To Fix Before AVENGERS 5"

They need to fix a lot more than 5 awful creative decisions.

They basically need to soft-reboot the whole thing post-Endgame and try again. A lot of bad movies and TV shows, The Marvels turning out to be the biggest commercial failure of all time (which should send them a huge warning because when a movie loses even more money than previous record-holder John Carter, you know there is something very problematic), the new main characters not being as interesting or charismatic as their predecessors, the new big bad Kang just being laughably bad (just not the right kind of bad) and Jonathan Majors becoming problematic...
Ha1frican
Ha1frican - 5/17/2024, 1:58 PM
I have absolutely no memory of Jane dying, I had to google it to make sure
Amuro
Amuro - 5/17/2024, 2:01 PM
@Ha1frican -

Yeah, she died in Thor 4 and was welcomed in Valhalla. You will be forgiven to have forgotten about it considering her character arc was lost somewhere between plenty of bad jokes and an awful sequence with Russell Crowe.
BruceWayng
BruceWayng - 5/17/2024, 2:03 PM
I’ve always found it odd that Marvel has decided to do the Multiverse Saga/Secret Wars this early in the MCU, especially before introducing the X-men and Fantastic Four. My only theory is that Feige’s original plan early on was to bring in the Fox Properties into using the Multiverse and for some reason decided to stick with this plan even after Disney bought Fox.

In opinion, this has been the biggest reason why the MCU has fallen apart and why fans no longer interested(outside of the constant virtue signaling and need to insert highly divisive political topic).

The one thing that made the MCU special was how each film seemed to give us a glimpse into a new corner of the MCU which added new characters and expanded the overall storyline.

Now that’s gone and it seems like they’re putting way too much faith into using Incursions to fix their mistakes which just comes across lazy and unnecessary.
TheFinestSmack
TheFinestSmack - 5/17/2024, 2:29 PM
TWO LISTS IN ONE DAY?!?!?!?!?
PartyKiller
PartyKiller - 5/17/2024, 2:44 PM
Maybe Falcon being gay will soon be on the list.
ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 5/17/2024, 2:47 PM
Wasn't crazy about the She-Hulk Fourth Wall break, but the writers could've definitely done better. I'm just ready for another street level focused Spider-Man appearance without other heroes or magic in the mix.
Nomis929
Nomis929 - 5/17/2024, 3:02 PM
Well...I guess that time of year for me to go against "Vox populi"...

I really didn't mind that She Hulk "broke" the 4th wall!

It was one of the few things on the show that I enjoyed. It reminded me of John byrne's Sensational She hulk comics of teh late 80s, which I really enjoyed. And the finale, while off, was still my favorite episode.

By the By, Doctor Strange "third eye" origninally In the comics at least, is an organic manifestation of the Eye of Agamotto. A sign of a higher level of consciousness, and it can only be used by those who are devoid of corruption.

it using the darkhold to corrupt him is a movie thing.
RolandD
RolandD - 5/17/2024, 6:39 PM
@Nomis929 - No, no, no! Everyone has to be negative in the comments on this article. Seriously though, I get so tired of the negativity in the threads.
Origame
Origame - 5/17/2024, 3:13 PM
Ok, this is just fluff to make yourself seem like less of a marvel shill. None of these are inherently problems that need to be fixed. In fact, I'd say most of these are fine. The problem is and always has been the execution. She hulk breaking the fourth wall wasn't a problem. In fact, everyone expected it because that's the character. It's how they used it and that terrible finale twist with it is the problem.
TheFinestSmack
TheFinestSmack - 5/17/2024, 3:54 PM
@Origame - Looking like less of a shill is a big factor, I'd say. And this same article will be reused in 6 months with the addition of something he pretends not to like in Deadpool & Wolverine.
HulkisHoly
HulkisHoly - 5/17/2024, 3:20 PM
“Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness was a better movie than many fans give it credit for.”



























No.
SummersEssex
SummersEssex - 5/17/2024, 3:20 PM
I disagree with all five of these to an extent.

She Hulk shouldn’t break the 4th wall outside of her own series, but it was a feast finale because of it. Deadpool also shouldn’t break the 4th wall outside of his movies when they inevitably bring him in.

Ant-man is responsible? No…. Did you not watch Loki?

Jane Foster can stay dead.

Doctor Strange isn’t evil just because he has the third eye, but it’s something they can play off of and he can solve. It’s not a big deal.

Everyone remembering Spider-man but not Peter Oarker was the perfect ending and an amazing theme that should stick through all the movies as he reveals his identity slowly to various other heroes and more. That trauma is what makes No Way Home so perfect.
S8R8M
S8R8M - 5/17/2024, 4:22 PM
I think the biggest problem is Antman when he went into the Quantum Realm for 5 hours and came out 5 years later.
Then in AM3, they all go into the QR for like a day or 2 and then come back the next day like nothing happened.
WEAPONXOXOXO
WEAPONXOXOXO - 5/17/2024, 4:26 PM
Fix the frickin hair.




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